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re: New Orleans City Council Passes Smoking Ban

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Posted by Summer of George
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Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:29 pm to
Very rarely
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:29 pm to
quote:

How do you feel about weed being legalized?

it needs to be

quote:

im sure you aren't bitching about that.

i am

Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:30 pm to
I think LE is trying argue that both of these laws are "progressive" so we can't support one without supporting the other...

which is absurd
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138533 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:30 pm to
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not yet, but its progressing that way.
Which makes the cigarette ban that much worse.

Legalization of mary jane in NOLA will be for one primary reason: tax revenue.

The City had a perfect opportunity to increase revenue through a tobacco license, and they missed the opportunity.
This post was edited on 1/22/15 at 3:31 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:31 pm to
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one is progressing towards more freedom, one is progressing the other way

how exactly are you comparing the two?



80% of adult American's do not smoke. Their freedoms are being catered to in this instance.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477046 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:31 pm to
quote:

I think LE is trying argue that both of these laws are "progressive" so we can't support one without supporting the other...

which is absurd

the modern liberal-progressive sees the illegality of weed as a travesty, b/c adults should be able to make their own choices

however, tobacco should not be smoked in bars, b/c that's for hicks and we should ensure that nobody is allowed to act like a hick
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78429 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:32 pm to
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80% of adult American's do not smoke. Their freedoms are being catered to in this instance.


85% of adult Americans do not smoke marijuana.

Yet, a law to legalize it would be catering to a small minority.
This post was edited on 1/22/15 at 3:33 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290884 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:32 pm to
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Are you saying that someone that smokes in a bar that allows it is self centered?


Smokers in general have no manners towards people that do not smoke. Whether you're in a smokey bar or just walking on the street.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:33 pm to
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How do you feel about weed being legalized? im sure you aren't bitching about that


making something legal by removing legislation and making something illegal by adding legislation isn't a very good comparison.

personally, i enjoy the non smoking rules. but i will always believe it is up to the business owner to establish the rules in his/her establishment.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78429 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:33 pm to
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Smokers in general have no manners towards people that do not smoke.


You are really throwing out the bait now.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:33 pm to
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80% of adult American's do not smoke. Their freedoms are being catered to in this instance.


It's the business owner we're defending, not the smoker.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477046 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:33 pm to
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80% of adult American's do not smoke. Their freedoms are being catered to in this instance.

the freedom to smoke (or say no) isn't really the focus here. the focus is on the business's right to regulate smoking

there are non-smoking bars in nola that cater to those who want to go to a bar and not be bothered with smoke

there are smoking bars in nola that cater to those who smoke or don't mind it

let the market sort it out. if 80% of people hate smoke, then non-smoking bars will dominate the market
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
60685 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:34 pm to
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80% of adult American's do not smoke. Their freedoms are being catered to in this instance.

It's not about customer "rights" (they don't exist) , it's about the business owner's.
Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:34 pm to
You saved $5. Gov made $20. Easy way to get revenue stream. Make it an incentive for people to park illegal and profit. Do so without having to buy the private lot and pay the taxes that the private enterprise does. Incentivize parking on the public curb by making it a bit cheaper. Private enterprise loses your money but gov gains the revenue....without any capital investment accept paying the employee who wrote the ticket. It's not useless to NOLA. They seem to have thought that revenue maker out pretty good.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477046 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:34 pm to
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You are really throwing out the bait now.

and i don't know if anyone still posting even smokes
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
36332 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:35 pm to
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80% of adult American's do not smoke. Their freedoms are being catered to in this instance.


Un-fricking-believable.

95% of Americans aren't gay, to hell with gay marriage.

80% of Americans aren't black, we should still be able to own them as slaves.


Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78429 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:35 pm to
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and i don't know if anyone still posting even smokes


Laws catering to the minority are the new norm and here is one catering to the majority.
Posted by mt1
LV
Member since Nov 2006
7703 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:36 pm to
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Why would you want to go to a bar that is actively trying to kill you? Exactly. I shouldn't have to worry about that.


You should get new friends or start smoking.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290884 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:36 pm to
quote:

85% of adult Americans do not smoke marijuana.

Yet, a law to legalize it would be catering to a small minority




85% of Americans don't smoke weed because it is illegal. Im sure that number will start to increase.


The bigger point is they are starting to realize the harmlessness of weed. In the same breath, they realize cigarette smoke is detriment to the lives of most Americans. Dating back to the early 2000's when they started to ban cigarette smoke in businesses and restaurants
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290884 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:37 pm to
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It's the business owner we're defending, not the smoker.




You're defending both, whether you realize it or not.
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