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re: New Infrastructure Spending Plan likely means a NOLA -Baton Rouge passenger rail link

Posted on 4/6/21 at 12:41 pm to
Posted by 92Tiger
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Posted on 4/6/21 at 12:41 pm to
If you have crowded trains across the US, it's only a matter of time before there are incidents, and inevitably there will be security. Bet on it. It's not going to be like the NYC subways where parking in the city is very difficult. There are buses all over NOLA, but I don't know anyone that commutes using them. If people have options, they don't want to put up with the drama that is public transportation.

It could work though...if there are business class cars with higher prices that could encourage professionals to use it. Otherwise, if the experience it akin most BR or NOLA city bus lines, it's just not going to work. Ah, nothing like waiting for the bus at 6 pm at Canal and Basin.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 4/6/21 at 12:43 pm to
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They can build it but it will never turn a profit



Nola-BR-Houston high speed rail would work but not BR-Nola.

I only see myself using it for Saints games and Mardi Gras. It would be a cheaper alternative to driving/parking for events
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/6/21 at 12:49 pm to
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If you have crowded trains across the US, it's only a matter of time before there are incidents, and inevitably there will be security


The commuter trains and Amtrak trains I have been on have conductors on board. No security at stations unless it was a larger hub.

ETA: NYC, Philly, and Chicago.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 12:51 pm
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/6/21 at 12:50 pm to
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QQ. When will I-10 finally produce revenue and pay for itself? It always seems to require maintenance, which costs the taxpayers a lot.



Comparing a major highway that runs coast to coast and in BR alone serves over 150,000 automobiles a day with a commuter train that is hoped to carry 210,000 passengers a year is really a great argument.
I10 services south Louisiana bringing in cars, food, building materials, and tons of freight. Highways have been built and expanded for decades because they are vital to our civilization.
On the other hand passenger train service serving BR/NO shutdown because of a lack of interest.
The day we see a lack of interest on I10 is the day we can quit subsidizing it, but it’s definitely not happening any time soon.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76070 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 12:52 pm to
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just so they can ride it back home and shite post on tigerdroppings about how awful the city is


Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41661 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 12:55 pm to
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This wouldn’t cover the cost of a tiny fraction of the loop, and the feds are earmarking this cash specifically for railroads.

We need the new bridge. Once we can secure funding for it, we can build the route for the loop around it. The damn bridge is the hardest part. The state is getting a lot of cash for highways, so I am hoping they can at least get started on the bridge. If not, then hopefully the approaches.

We need to take a plsy out of Huey P Long’s playbook and build a railroad bridge across the Mississippi River for a commuter train and make it extremely safe with three emergency traffic lanes on each side.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/6/21 at 1:03 pm to
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I still can't get over people complaining about the extra time when the commute from NOLA to BR being a deal breaker. I'd take 90 minutes of free time over 75 minutes of dealing with left lane assholes and gambling on the spillway any day.


The trip on the trdd as in is an hour snd thirty five minutes ftom end to end. Commuters still have to get to the station snd cstch the train and when they exit they still have to get off the train and get to their work. I’m guessing all in sll ftom BR Downtown to Union Ststion you are tss as liking two hours.
Now it might not matter to you, but it would to others.
Consider too there is no wiggle room. If it leaves at 7:00am and arrives at 8:35am. If work starts at 9:00am you are fine. It leaves for the return trip at 5:00pm. I guess for those who work a 7 and a half hour work day with no lunch it would be great.
Posted by Skillet
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/6/21 at 1:05 pm to
Haven't read any of this thread....Will the train start and finish in the BR & NOLA ghettos?
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76070 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 1:07 pm to
Yet somehow many many places in the world manage to overcome this small issue
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26372 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 1:15 pm to
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Comparing a major highway that runs coast to coast and in BR alone serves over 150,000 automobiles a day with a commuter train that is hoped to carry 210,000 passengers a year is really a great argument.


And taxpayers are about to spend over a billion just to fix a long neglected stretch of I-10 in one Louisiana city. It’s a cost to have that piece of infrastructure that benefits society. Just like levees, airports, power plants, and passenger rail lines.

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Highways have been built and expanded for decades because they are vital to our civilization


Yet I-10 isn’t expected to generate any revenue like passenger rail. Like a levee or a spillway, its value to you and me is the societal benefit of having it in place at our disposal. Why not extend the same standard to passenger rail that would at least collect some ticketing revenue for operations?

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On the other hand passenger train service serving BR/NO shutdown because of a lack of interest.


There is interest in the new line according to the studies citied in the media.

Real studies.

Not just random message board posters- some of which mistakenly think that refusing federal funding specially earmarked for a passenger rail line will result in addition funds for other types of infrastructure that will serve their state.

The feds want to cover the costs of starting this service. Let them. If it doesn’t catch on after a few years it can be scaled back. Trains can be stopped or relocated.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26372 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 1:23 pm to
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Now it might not matter to you, but it would to others.
Consider too there is no wiggle room. If it leaves at 7:00am and arrives at 8:35am. If work starts at 9:00am you are fine. It leaves for the return trip at 5:00pm. I guess for those who work a 7 and a half hour work day with no lunch it would be great.


Like many Americans, I’ve successfully used scheduled commuter rail service for years now. I also used other forms of transportation that adheres to a schedule - like commercial airlines for instance.

Just because your work schedule isn’t conducive to a hypothetical train schedule doesn’t mean other people will have the same issue. This isn’t a solution for everyone in South Louisiana. But they believe enough people will use it to justify the existence of a new rail line.
Posted by A Smoke Break
Lafayette
Member since Nov 2018
2175 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 1:27 pm to
More immediate work for the infrastructure project itself.

Allows a few hundred more hired onto amtrak itself to run the line.

Expands BR and Nola to those who can't afford the commute between both cities to take a daily rail instead.

I see no issues with this. It's not like adding another lane to an already bloated highway system that will get bogged down in 5 years post completion.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33035 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 1:28 pm to
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We need to take a plsy out of Huey P Long’s playbook and build a railroad bridge across the Mississippi River for a commuter train and make it extremely safe with three emergency traffic lanes on each side.



You might be onto something.

Get the rail carriers involved and try to get every imaginable piece of funding available for it. The feds even have pork programs for helping fund roads just because they include bike lanes or sidewalks. I think Highway 42 in Ascension Parish was got some funding that way.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33035 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 1:31 pm to
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More immediate work for the infrastructure project itself.

Allows a few hundred more hired onto amtrak itself to run the line.

Expands BR and Nola to those who can't afford the commute between both cities to take a daily rail instead.

I see no issues with this. It's not like adding another lane to an already bloated highway system that will get bogged down in 5 years post completion.




I think south Louisiana needs better highways AND rail links if it wants to ever compete with Houston or Atlanta.

The I-10 widening in Baton Rouge is finally happening despite being needed 20 years ago. I hope they can widen I-10 to Sorrento or even LaPlace. And do the same for I-12 all the way to Slidell.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76070 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 1:32 pm to
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I think Highway 42 in Ascension Parish was got some funding that way


And for those majestic outlook turnoffs to see picturesque Prairieville subdivisions.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41661 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 1:37 pm to
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Just because your work schedule isn’t conducive to a hypothetical train schedule doesn’t mean other people will have the same issue. This isn’t a solution for everyone in South Louisiana. But they believe enough people will use it to justify the existence of a new rail line.


Just because a few hundred people might use it doesn’t mean we should do it. Just because it’s a good option for a few hundred commuters doesn’t mean we should spend 240 million building it and another 6 million a year on subsidies.
They believe an average of 430 people a day will initially use the line.
Note: these numbers are over ten years old.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 1:48 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76070 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 1:40 pm to
Why do any project then?

Why spend money in BR to widen I10? It will only minimally help traffic? We should leave it as is. Send that money to another state.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 1:41 pm
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41661 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 1:46 pm to
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Yet I-10 isn’t expected to generate any revenue like passenger rail

Highways generate revenues. Gasoline and diesel taxes account for millions of dollars in revenues. Way more revenues than would this commuter line.
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There is interest in the new line according to the studies citied in the media.

Real studies.


Yes, they predict an average of 430 riders per day, 210,00 a year.
They aren’t talking as if this would be a major impact on I 10 any time soon.

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The feds want to cover the costs of starting this service. Let them. If it doesn’t catch on after a few years it can be scaled back. Trains can be stopped or relocated.


Yes, let’s line up to get all our free stuff. It’s the American way.

The entire federal plan is bad. They should take La.’s share and use it for urban transportation in a big city and give us their Highway and bridge money. 10 had been neglected fir decades. You said it yourself. Tens of thousands use 10 in BR every day. Taking 400 people off ten wouldn’t even be noticed.
Posted by 92Tiger
Member since Dec 2015
614 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 1:47 pm to
"The commuter trains and Amtrak trains I have been on have conductors on board. No security at stations unless it was a larger hub."

I think you may be missing the point. Sure, the Amtrak commuter running through Northern VA into DC is wonderful. You don't really expect the same experience and clientele riding b/t the NOLA Amtrak station and the BR station? In reality, the experience will be closer to riding the city bus from Bullard Ave. to the CBD down Chef Highway. There's a big reason almost no professionals do that in either NOLA or BR (with rare exceptions...i.e. St. Charles Streetcar line).
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33035 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 1:48 pm to
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we should spend 240 million building it


IIRC, this was also to replace a bridge over the spillway that is in disrepair. So freight movements would get some benefits out of it as well.

There was also an earlier plan to expand the passenger line eventually to Alexandria, Shreveport, and Dallas but I'm not sure if that's still on the table.
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