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Posted by bayouvette
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:26 am to
so because monkeys like to get high that equals addictive?? i dont get the relation.
Posted by McLemore
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:27 am to
[quote]I've known more people who've ruined their lives over weed addiction than any other drug or substances./quote]

you have some stupid friends, no offense.

eta: sorry re: paste error--i guess my copy didn't take. hit submit before i noticed. weird, i must be so high right now. life. ruined.
This post was edited on 10/20/16 at 8:29 am
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:30 am to
What do coke and meth heads normally start with after alcohol?

I think alcohol could be considered a lead in to pot and then pot to meth and so on.

The gateway stuff throws people off. It's too polarizing.
Posted by Barf
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:33 am to
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I think more people have done it than people expect, but I also think some pot heads want to convince everyone that everybody has smoked pot before, and that's just not true.


What kind of point are you trying to make? You're putting absolute faith in people telling you the truth. How are you so certain what people have and have not done? It's a silly point to make on both sides.

I am going to start to referring to everyone who drinks, as alcoholics. If everyone who uses cannabis is a pot head, everyone who drinks is an alcoholic.
Posted by PacLSU
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:34 am to
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I've known more people who've ruined their lives over weed addiction than any other drug or substances.

So you're saying these people would have lived successful lives if not for pot? I'd suggest that those people had behaviors that would've ruined their lives regardless of pot.
Posted by CCTider
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:34 am to
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I don't think I know anyone that hasn't tried pot


I have one cousin that has never smoked. I think it's from residual fear from his mother. But he's not judgemental about it at all. When I stayed at his placed for awhile, he didn't care if I smoked or did dabs on his patio. It was never awkward when I smoked around him. If it were legal, I think he'd finally try it.
Posted by the LSUSaint
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:34 am to
Sounds to me like it's exactly like coffee or sugar or video games.

Except it has proven medicinal benefits.

Posted by Barf
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:36 am to
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I've known more people who've ruined their lives over weed addiction than any other drug or substances.



Is this your personal or professional opinion? You're throw it around as matter of fact, but what do you have to back it up?
Posted by McLemore
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:39 am to
it's like i said, correlation and chronological order do not equal causation. so, yeah, gateway stuff is polarizing. and meaningless.

i think a better example of a gateway drug would be people getting hooked on Vicodin they received legally, ran out, then started buying it on the street, moving up to Oxycontin and then realizing they could get heroin cheaper.

I think that sort of causal chain is much easier to prove than anything related to weed.
This post was edited on 10/20/16 at 8:40 am
Posted by CCTider
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:42 am to
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I've known more people who've ruined their lives over weed addiction than any other drug or substances.



How were their lives ruined because of weed? Did the pawn all of their belongings? Force their children into prostitution? Got high and beat their wife? What happened to them?
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:42 am to
Oh I agree.

Pot can lead to meth is different than pot leads to meth.

The risk is still there which is what scares about about legalizing it completely. For those parents that did experience their child progressing to meth from pot it was a gateway.

As a parent, it's more than concerning. I know, I know, more of a chance dying in a car wreck or alcohol poisoning. That's fine but we keep adding all these "chances" into the equation and increase the odds that one of them will come true.
Posted by Barf
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:44 am to
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it's like i said, correlation and chronological order do not equal causation. so, yeah, gateway stuff is polarizing. and meaningless.


Often times they try to draw a parallel between the black market and exposure to other drugs.

Think of it as going to your weed guys house, and he offered you a little bump of coke. You do the bump, because you're not a square, the next thing you know you're dead in a truck stop bathroom with dried cum on your chin and a needle in your arm.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:44 am to
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All about who you surround yourself with. Not that people who have tried pot are bad people or anything. Most of my friends in college had smoked at some point. Some stuck with it hard, some it was just a short phase.

But at the same time I have family that I'm very close with that I always hung out with when I was back home that never touched the stuff. They would drink their arse off and do ton's of stupid shite, but never touched weed. Same with my wife's group of friends. I'm sure some may have, but I know a lot didn't.

I think more people have done it than people expect, but I also think some pot heads want to convince everyone that everybody has smoked pot before, and that's just not true.



I have plenty of friends who don't do "drugs" and barely drink but every single one of them has tried pot once in their life.

Some of the most responsible people I know i.e. doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. are regular pot smokers.

Posted by CCTider
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:45 am to
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Pot can lead to meth is different than pot leads to meth.

The risk is still there which is what scares about about legalizing it completely. For those parents that did experience their child progressing to meth from pot it was a gateway.



What about alcohol leading to meth? Why is weed the only one that gets blamed as a gateway?
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:46 am to
I mentioned alcohol earlier. You are already high this morning?
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:46 am to
quote:

Often times they try to draw a parallel between the black market and exposure to other drugs.

Think of it as going to your weed guys house, and he offered you a little bump of coke. You do the bump, because you're not a square, the next thing you know you're dead in a truck stop bathroom with dried cum on your chin and a needle in your arm.



Black market thing has some truth.

If you had to go into the ghetto to buy beer from a criminal black market, you're more likely to get into other criminal activity.

If you buy weed from a gas station you have zero interaction with criminal dealers on the black market who sell other illegal shite and do other illegal shite.
Posted by KG6
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:47 am to
WTF are you talking about. I know tons of people who smoke or had smoked who I'd never consider a pot head. Same as I know tons of people who drink who aren't alcoholics. But I know quite a few people that at least for part of their lives, I would consider a "pot head". Straight up was their favorite hobby. You walked in their apartment and their were bongs on the table. They got jobs that didn't drug test because they like to smoke. Not trying to say they are bad people, they were friends. But they like pot, and they really liked talking about how common it was and how it was the same as alcohol.

I'm putting faith in people telling me the truth that they've never tried it....yes. Just as you have faith that everyone that said they tried it actually did. I mean WTF are you arguing with that? People who really love to argue for how common pot is and that it's not a big deal love to throw comments around like "I don't know a single person who has never tried it". Well, I know plenty that have never tried it. I would say more than 50% that I can think of have tried it, but I certainly know many that I absolutely trust have not tried it. That's why I didn't argue the 50% stat, but I will argue the "everyone has tried it" argument all day.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:48 am to
quote:

Pot can lead to meth is different than pot leads to meth.

The risk is still there which is what scares about about legalizing it completely. For those parents that did experience their child progressing to meth from pot it was a gateway.



People don't try pot and progress to meth because they want a harder high.

One's an upper and one's a downer. If people do both, its because they just like drugs and getting fricked up. I promise alcohol was what started it. There's no way to stop those people.

But one way to start is to completely remove their interaction with drug dealers.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:50 am to
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Black market thing has some truth.

If you had to go into the ghetto to buy beer from a criminal black market, you're more likely to get into other criminal activity.

If you buy weed from a gas station you have zero interaction with criminal dealers on the black market who sell other illegal shite and do other illegal shite.



yup. i made this point in my first groggy post this am
Posted by Barf
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:51 am to
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As a parent, it's more than concerning. I know, I know, more of a chance dying in a car wreck or alcohol poisoning. That's fine but we keep adding all these "chances" into the equation and increase the odds that one of them will come true.


What? Are you suggesting that legalizing weed would cause an increase in the odds of something shitty happening to your kid? If anything, legalization will lessen the availability of weed to your kids. It will absolutely not increase their exposure.
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