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re: Need some advice on how to approach management about recent pay raise

Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:33 pm to
Posted by TU Rob
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:33 pm to
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Thus is why you have to change companies every few years to maximize your pay in 95% of cases. Companies do a terrible Jon valuing current employees and always over value outside talent


Truth. Longevity and rewarding it went out the window when people started job hopping for raises.

I was part of an interesting discussion as part of some leadership training I was in last year, and someone brought up the question about unequal pay for similar positions and offered first hand evidence of someone who left the company only to come back a short time later, doing basically the same thing with a different title, at a significantly higher pay grade.

The explanation offered was that going elsewhere and gaining experience in a different role, then being able to bring that experience back with them warranted a pay increase. Especially when management saw how valuable of an employee they were.

The questioner then asked how much valuable experience one could actually obtain in 6-9 months somewhere else, and it caught the presenter off guard. He thought they had gone somewhere for 2-3 years and then returned, but was shocked that this was happening. I know each situation is unique, but if you really want to maximize your pay level in today's work force, it actually pays to leave and go somewhere else. It is really hard to get huge raises at your current employer unless it is a significant promotion either into a management role or from management to executive levels.

Honestly, my largest increases in pay have always come with a new employer. That's why you negotiate a good bit at the start, because some companies have policies that you can only give a certain dollar amount or certain percentage as an increase. I negotiated and got about $5k a year more than the offer I was first given, and all of my raises since then are the standard budgeted increase. If I hadn't asked the question, I still wouldn't be making what I started at several years ago.

TL;DR version, managers always overpay for outside talent when compared to internal candidates.
Posted by Cdawg
TigerFred's Living Room
Member since Sep 2003
62212 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:33 pm to
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Stop being a beta and be an alpha.



Aren't you the guy with the roommate that's still drinking your beer and eating your food after you asked him to quit?
Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
23218 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:35 pm to
Shop around. Look at different companies for better options.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
45420 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:35 pm to
I am assuming you are talking about being paid under the median pay for your grade? In my experiance, this is tied back to your department manager, so it might not help to talk with him. I would suggest staying, getting a few years of management under your belt, then looking for a new gig.
Posted by carlsoda
B Rah
Member since Dec 2009
5777 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:36 pm to
How much did you ask for when given the promotion? When they said we will bump you up 10k did you ask if it is negotiable? If not then it is tough to go ask for more now... Just sayin
Posted by idlewatcher
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Member since Jan 2012
98672 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:39 pm to
Not sure how large your company is, but according to the some people I know who work in Exxon/BP/Chevron etc., it's healthy (as far as your salary is concerned) to move jobs within your company or to a new company altogether every 3-4 years.

Maybe they know that they can pay you less b/c they know you probably won't leave with the tenure which you currently have with the company.

And FWIW, my brother is a recruiter here in Houston and is pretty damn successful at it. He finds that a lot of his "interested candidates" are playing their current company against the new company - hijacking of sorts. So if you want to look at going that route, get some offers from competing firms and take those offers to your boss.
Posted by Whatafrekinchessiebr
somewhere down river
Member since Nov 2013
1720 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:44 pm to
Has any one suggested you quit immediately before lining up a new job?

Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
88337 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:50 pm to
Before you do anything, apply for jobs and have the offers in hand. Then talk to your company and be ready to walk if they don't think you're worth what you ask for
Posted by kfaulk03
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
1494 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:50 pm to
"Y'all aren't giving me the shite I need to win. _________, you're fricking out"
Posted by Grassy1
Member since Oct 2009
7330 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:51 pm to
Say it just like you did in the OP, but you need to know what you're going to do when they say "well, you may be right, but thats all we can afford to pay you at this point. So what are you going to do? Do we need to start looking for your replacement?"
Posted by E12IC
Member since Jan 2014
436 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:55 pm to
My wife had a similar situation. She went to the manager and spoke to him about her raise and how she thought it should be higher based on her performance reviews etc.

The manager basically said it is what is, so right afterward she started looking for another job and a few weeks later she got a better job and a lot more money.

Be ready to hear no and if so then it's up to you on what to do next. Good luck.
This post was edited on 6/16/16 at 3:57 pm
Posted by Hammond Tiger Fan
Hammond
Member since Oct 2007
16419 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:59 pm to
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Be ready to hear no and if so then it's up to you on what to do next. Good luck.


I know what my options are if I hear something I don't like, but I like it here and only really looking to paid fairly closer to what they are advertising these positions for.
Posted by Langland
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Member since Apr 2014
15382 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 4:17 pm to
I would start stealing all the pens and pencils I could get my hands on.
Posted by mikrit54
Robeline
Member since Oct 2013
8664 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 4:23 pm to
I, I, ,I. Me, me, me.
Posted by Restomod
Member since Mar 2012
13493 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 4:41 pm to
Only way to make a big jump in pay is to leave and find another job. Merit increases and market analysis increases are often little.
Posted by DoUrden
UnderDark
Member since Oct 2011
26320 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 4:44 pm to
My thought has always been if you aren't paying me what I think I'm worth I will find someone that will. NEVER stay with a company that then tries to salary match. If they thought you were worth that then why didn't they pay you that in the first place.
Posted by Gevans17
Member since Dec 2007
1135 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 6:13 pm to
check with CPM.
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