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re: NASA pushes back dates for Artemis II and Artemis III missions.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:33 pm to Scuttle But
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:33 pm to Scuttle But
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SLS is already an obsolete piece of equipment. The only reason we're even using it is because of sunk costs at the this point.
SLS costs 2 billion to launch. Expected Starship launch costs? Less than 5 million.
In fact, NASA isn’t even building a lander. They plan on using a variant Starship for that.
fricking ridiculous
This post was edited on 1/10/24 at 9:34 pm
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Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:35 pm to Scuttle But
I would agree that SLS will be the last cost plus contract that NASA ever awards for large space vehicles. They will move to fixed price contracts like they used for Falcon 9 development etc.
But having said that, NASA has always been all in on private companies hauling the mail.
Everything they've ever done in manned spaceflight has been through contracts to private companies.
It's not unreal for SLS costs to drop from 2B per year to 1.6B per year with two launches per year. As you say they've admitted current costs are unsustainable and they are working to bring those costs down through better contracts. That would be 800 mil per launch or per mission vs. 600 mil for SpaceX. So not exactly SpaceX efficiency but it's not absurdly more expensive either. Given the reduction in mission complexity of 1 launch vs 15-20 it actually starts to make sense.
But all of this assumes a market for more launches and what we've seen so far is there isn't one. I'd bet over 90% of SpaceX launches last year were launching Starlink. You say the market is growing, but it empirically isn't (yet). Especially not for super heavy lift vehicles.
But having said that, NASA has always been all in on private companies hauling the mail.
Everything they've ever done in manned spaceflight has been through contracts to private companies. It's not unreal for SLS costs to drop from 2B per year to 1.6B per year with two launches per year. As you say they've admitted current costs are unsustainable and they are working to bring those costs down through better contracts. That would be 800 mil per launch or per mission vs. 600 mil for SpaceX. So not exactly SpaceX efficiency but it's not absurdly more expensive either. Given the reduction in mission complexity of 1 launch vs 15-20 it actually starts to make sense.
But all of this assumes a market for more launches and what we've seen so far is there isn't one. I'd bet over 90% of SpaceX launches last year were launching Starlink. You say the market is growing, but it empirically isn't (yet). Especially not for super heavy lift vehicles.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:45 pm to LSU Jonno
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But having said that, NASA has always been all in on private companies hauling the mail. Everything they've ever done in manned spaceflight has been through contracts to private companies.
Yeah I know but I was referring to them actually overseeing the development and I'm pretty sure they've always taken ownership of the vehicles and operated them correct?
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But all of this assumes a market for more launches and what we've seen so far is there isn't one. I'd bet over 90% of SpaceX launches last year were launching Starlink. You say the market is growing, but it empirically isn't (yet). Especially not for super heavy lift vehicles
I just checked and 36 of the 96 Falcon launches were no starlink customers. Including several crewed missions to ISS. I predict that as SpaceX continues to drive down the cost of access to space it will just open up the market to even more customers who previously couldn't afford it. It's already happening.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:02 pm to Clint Torres
quote:Artemis isn't a bad program, it's just SLS that is a national disgrace. Boeing can't/won't do engineering on time like they once did but they lobby better than almost any other company in the world.
Artemis should be canceled immediately; of course it won’t be as it’s the result of Lockheed Martin and Boeing lobbying.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:23 pm to Scuttle But
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Yeah I know but I was referring to them actually overseeing the development and I'm pretty sure they've always taken ownership of the vehicles and operated them correct?
Can't definitively say always but typically when NASA contracts for H/W, the H/W is delivered (DD-250'd) to NASA and they own it. And I think they own all the test data, etc performed in support of the H/W.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:28 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
Just let Elon do it and call it a fricking day.
NASA is a joke. We’re gonna frick around and let China bust up over there..
NASA is a joke. We’re gonna frick around and let China bust up over there..
Posted on 1/10/24 at 11:13 pm to Giantkiller
They are laughing their asses off at you.
Orion, Gateway, Artemis et al
Orion, Gateway, Artemis et al
Posted on 1/10/24 at 11:14 pm to TutHillTiger
Come on lol
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:04 am to TutHillTiger
A word not heard very often applies to this Artemis program. Boondoggle.
We won’t touch the moon again until 2030; this is as good of a slush fund as Ukraine.
We won’t touch the moon again until 2030; this is as good of a slush fund as Ukraine.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 7:58 am to Scuttle But
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The FAA needs to just grant SpaceX carte blanch when it comes to launching rockets though. That would help the most. Basically what I'm saying is that SpaceX should be above the law.
If Trump wins in Nov and backs the FAA off of Elon, Space X will be on the moon before Artemis.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 3:32 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
nm
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 1/11/24 at 4:37 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
I hope to live long enough to see a moon base.
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