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re: NASA: Humans will prove we are not alone in the universe within 20 years.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:33 pm to 70345
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:33 pm to 70345
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Oh my, I have a fan club!
Still reading through all the wisdom you dropped but yeah, I'm down! Let's save some souls bro.
This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 9:38 pm
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:35 pm to xXLSUXx
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If manned missions kept them at sustainable funding, don't you think they would've just kept sending people to the moon? It didn't. Sure they'll be a sense of pride and unparalleled human achievement after the first Mars landing. But even with that people get bored. How many people talk about any of the lunar landings besides the first one?
So we should just do nothing?
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:37 pm to Salmon
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but I am really curious how religious people will respond to the news
I always see this comment, why do people assume that intelligent life outside the Earth wouldn't know of God? What if we encounter intelligent life and they know of God? What if they view God or a god figure in the same way that many of the religious groups on Earth do?
Anyway, I'm not saying that would happen, in fact, I think it is much more likely that our local group is barren and void of intelligent life.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:37 pm to LucasP
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This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:40 pm to Paige
Are you still pissed about the poetry request? That was well worth it! Besides we're talking about God and aliens right now. Let's stay on topic.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:45 pm to xXLSUXx
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So then you agree? The mission was purely political. There were no scientific or monetary gains like you suggest.
Just because I think that it was mainly political gains that motivated it doesn't think that the primary political points were the primary gain. The gain was scientific and humanitarian as a whole. I just wish more people saw it that way.
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If we continued to send men to the moon to kick dirt, then we'd have no money left to explore beyond it.
But somehow we find enough money to blindly bomb brown people and blindly arrest our own citizens for non-violent crimes for simply getting high. If we took even a 1/100 of the cost that the War on Terror and the War on Drugs have cost us as a society, we could easily, easily have a Moon Base up and running.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:49 pm to OMLandshark
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But somehow we find enough money to blindly bomb brown people and blindly arrest our own citizens for non-violent crimes for simply getting high. If we took even a 1/100 of the cost that the War on Terror and the War on Drugs have cost us as a society,
I 100% agree the money should be put towards science.
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easily have a Moon Base
To do what exactly? What function does this Moon Base provide?
ETA: Newt Gingrich wanted a Moon Base. Did you vote for him?
This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:50 pm to OMLandshark
What moon?
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:51 pm to xXLSUXx
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If manned missions kept them at sustainable funding, don't you think they would've just kept sending people to the moon? It didn't. Sure they'll be a sense of pride and unparalleled human achievement after the first Mars landing. But even with that people get bored. How many people talk about any of the lunar landings besides the first one?
But why can most people not forget this quote:
"That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind."
I think that may be the single quote that most of humanity can remember. Sure after the initial shock, things become more boring. That's just the nature of basically everything in the known universe.
What happened was we became far more concerned with our very immediate needs instead of our needs as a species to continue. But you know what, some people got interested. The scientists, the physicists, the engineers. They got interested, and they never lost focus from what the Apollo program did. If we could keep it up in the form of a Moon Base or a Mission to Mars just so some Americans could develop a passion for these arts, then it is a very worthy investment.
I suck at math, so I wasn't able to do what many of these amazing people do to advance this country, but I wish I had these gifts. The people that do that have a passion for advancing our species will do it, so much as we give them incentive to follow their dream on what mankind could be. That dream is dead now, and we have to reignite it.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:53 pm to 70345
No no no no.... I just got here, I'm drunk and I want to play in this game!
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:55 pm to OMLandshark
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That dream is dead now,
I disagree. It's the main reason I'm decent at math/engineering. It's what pushed me to get a pilot's license. It's why I've applied for the NASA Astronaut Candidate Program, even though I'll likely never get a response.
But there are more and more youth in our country today that are gravitating towards the fields of sciences and math. Although it may be out of necessity rather than will.
This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:56 pm to OMLandshark
I still run into a few of those people at NASA, at LCC and MCC, but most are gone.
The trend now though is for unmanned missions. Human space flight has been deemed too expensive and not scientifically advantageous.
Your posts, in the midst of this foolish thread, have been spot on.
The trend now though is for unmanned missions. Human space flight has been deemed too expensive and not scientifically advantageous.
Your posts, in the midst of this foolish thread, have been spot on.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:58 pm to xXLSUXx
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To do what exactly? What function does this Moon Base provide?
It's a long term investment to be sure, but it would pay off by the hundreds of trillions. There are materials on the Moon that we don't really have here, most notably, Helium 3. There is barely a ton of it on Earth, while on the Moon there is a hundred million tons of it and is the best material we know of for nuclear fusion.
Plus it is the perfect spaceport for the future. To go to Mars, the asteroids to mine, Jupiter, Saturn, etc, all will basically have to be done from the Moon since Earth's gravity would be much too large of an interference, and you could launch from the Moon for a fraction of the price (especially if you could get the fuel from it). The Moon Base is the future of our species, and the sooner we build it, the better.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:58 pm to OMLandshark
quote:frick it, I'll be serious. Archimedes's motives were political, but no one remembers the kings name only the scientist and the exclamation. The motives and politics are immaterial in the long run, only human discovery.
Just because I think that it was mainly political gains that motivated it doesn't think that the primary political points were the primary gain. The gain was scientific and humanitarian as a whole.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:00 pm to 70345
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70345
Tell us more. This is interesting. Tying the events of revelations into aliens theories/conspiracies. Are you saying the angels are aliens. Or angels just use the aliens to do their bidding? What are the 13 lineages of satan. Surely the Rothschilds are in there.
Being serious. I'd like to here more.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:09 pm to OMLandshark
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There is barely a ton of it on Earth, while on the Moon there is a hundred million tons of it and is the best material we know of for nuclear fusion.
Studies on this show it would take refining millions of tons worth of lunar soil to amass enough Helium 3 for fusion generation. Not to mention the cost in a revolving door of shuttles going back and forth. This would render energy cost just as expensive as current methods.
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Plus it is the perfect spaceport for the future.
Where will we manufacture these spaceships that launch from the moon? There? You would need entire industries established. Or perhaps build it on Earth, and launch multiple shuttles to assemble it piece by piece on the moon?
Humanity will spread. We will establish a foothold in the stars. But there's no need to get ahead of ourselves. We sprint out too early, then we have derelict structures we can't maintain or make use of.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:12 pm to xXLSUXx
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I disagree. It's the main reason I'm decent at math/engineering. It's what pushed me to get a pilot's license. It's why I've applied for the NASA Astronaut Candidate Program, even though I'll likely never get a response.
Well, I'm very glad to hear that and has turned me around to your post. But still, I think we need a new Moon landing and to expand our reach to the cosmos not in the past (ie: the 1960s) but now. If we don't have a 50th anniversary Moon Landing, as far as I'm concerned, we've just surrendered. Yes it will be for sentimental values, but the fact that a guy in his 30s/40s is walking on the fricking moon when no one has in his lifetime, are you fricking kidding me on how epic that would be?
But I hear no whispers of an anniversary landing. It's ridiculous. Seriously, why couldn't we make 2019 they year we started going into space again? Wouldn't that be a really important date on when we should start? Honestly, I'll light this board on fire if a man hasn't stood on the moon or at least isn't in trajectory towards the Moon this time tomorrow in 5 years (Apollo 11 was launched on July 16th). Actually, scratch that, I'll go up the the White House and bombard into the White House to talk to whatever coward is sitting in the Oval Office at that time.
If we don't land on the Moon again by July 21st 2019, it will be the single worst day in American history, and really mankind. It would say "Hey, frick the dream. It's been nearly 3 fricking generations since we landed on the Moon, but we gave up. Please, let us just nuke each other into an oblivion, since we're never getting beyond what we did in nineteen fricking sixty-nine. We're a bunch of pussies, and frick our dreams and hopes for a brighter future. Let's just keep bombing brown people and fricking over our own citizens for trillions more than uniting mankind would cost. Let us go frick ourselves, and frick humanity."
That's what that says to me when it's been 3 fricking generations since we've been back to the Moon. It means we gave up, we stopped dreaming, and might as well just kill ourselves as a species since we have nothing else to give this world but war and destruction.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:13 pm to xXLSUXx
I wonder if we should be actively trying to find other lifeforms. first off, we might end up finding a virus or something that wipes us out as a species, and also we may find a civilization that could take us over and enslave us.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:13 pm to OMLandshark
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There are materials on the Moon that we don't really have here, most notably, Helium 3. There is barely a ton of it on Earth, while on the Moon there is a hundred million tons of it and is the best material we know of for nuclear fusion.
mining the moon is an extraordinarily bad idea.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:18 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Not saying it won't happen, but that's like me saying "I'll come up with an amazing invention one day and become a millionaire within 20 years"
It's just NASA throwing out numbers with nothing to back it up aside from "theoretical" proof that a planet COULD have supported life such as bacteria at one point in the past.
It's just NASA throwing out numbers with nothing to back it up aside from "theoretical" proof that a planet COULD have supported life such as bacteria at one point in the past.
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