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re: NAACP members call for ban on privately managed charter schools

Posted on 8/7/16 at 2:22 pm to
Posted by Lou Pai
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Posted on 8/7/16 at 2:22 pm to
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i am not sure of the argument but i'm guessing it is...people will take advantage of the funding to create shitty schools and sell them to the various poor/black communities, basically selling shitty schools as the good ones without actually being good, just to make a buck? does that sound about right?

when in doubt, i always default to something similar. progs push government as some unbiased institution with tons of oversight and typically argue against private ventures for lacking these issues. it's basically the flaw in their whole worldview


That, and the premise is based on complete ridiculousness. As it relates to race and socioeconomic status, it is often argued that banks were induced to lend by regulators.

Naturally, they want it both ways. But they are way out of their element here. Maybe they should just stick to rioting, burning shite, and hating on cops.
Posted by Front9Bandit
Member since Dec 2013
15432 posts
Posted on 8/7/16 at 2:25 pm to
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Colored people sure do piss me right off


Which color makes you so mad?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466236 posts
Posted on 8/7/16 at 2:25 pm to
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Naturally, they want it both ways.

that's kind of the issue with these things, generally, especially if the perceived solution is "Government"

like those people want more government to help the imbalance of a free market, ok

but then they require the government expansion to fall into a specific, familiar paradigm
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 8/7/16 at 2:26 pm to
You know, in the UK, there are no colored people.











Only coloured people...
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
42385 posts
Posted on 8/7/16 at 2:26 pm to
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” [R]esearchers have warned that charter school expansions in low-income communities mirror predatory lending practices that led to the sub-prime mortgage disaster, putting schools and communities impacted by these practices at great risk of loss and harm…”


What they possibly mean is the charter schools siphon the better students away from the public schools which leads to an even further erosion of quality. Furthermore, the charter schools take public money that would have gone to these public schools and therefore exacerbates the under funding of all public schools in that district. This is not a new argument. It has been debated for quite a while as it should be. While some charter schools are doing a good job educating students, the majority are not and in most instances, are performing at a lower level than the public schools in the areas the charters exist.
Posted by Ghost of Colby
Alberta, overlooking B.C.
Member since Jan 2009
15037 posts
Posted on 8/7/16 at 2:27 pm to
Public money is involved. They have been cut out of the loop involving charter school money. They want their cut.
Posted by raceboy
Member since Feb 2011
2236 posts
Posted on 8/7/16 at 2:28 pm to
Here's an idea: how bout the colored people get a colored businessman and other inner city colored people and raise the money, elect a colored board, appoint colored teachers, hire a colored principal and start their own charter school that caters to the needs and advancement of colored people. The NAACP could oversee the whole project.


Posted by mikrit54
Robeline
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 8/7/16 at 2:29 pm to
Privately managed charter schools approved a resolution that included language calling for the NAACP to go frick themselves.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466236 posts
Posted on 8/7/16 at 2:39 pm to
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What they possibly mean is the charter schools siphon the better students away from the public schools which leads to an even further erosion of quality.

that's the typical argument, but i don't see how that's akin to "predatory lending"

that comment makes me feel like the negative issue is causing bad decision-making for low SES people

the traditional argument is that they lose agency and the ability to make better decisions
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 8/7/16 at 2:39 pm to
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Public money is involved. They have been cut out of the loop involving charter school money. They want their cut.

In many cases, they are getting their cut.

Deion Sanders started a set of charter schools in Dallas and Fort Worth.

They have both been closed because of political and financial malfeasance (surprise, surprise, huh?).

Looked at the demographics of the now-closed Dallas campus, and it was 92 percent black.
Posted by hawkster
Member since Aug 2010
6286 posts
Posted on 8/7/16 at 2:48 pm to
When your entire life is based on entitlements, why bother to get an education anyway?
Posted by crkelly91
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2014
1528 posts
Posted on 8/7/16 at 2:53 pm to
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Colored people sure do piss me right off


Y'all tend to like them when they're scoring touchdowns for your team.
Posted by crkelly91
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2014
1528 posts
Posted on 8/7/16 at 3:00 pm to
Tried that, well at least here anyway. The Scottlandville area schools tired to break away from EBR way before Central and Zachary. Had its own bus system an everything's. City didn't allow it.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 8/7/16 at 3:01 pm to
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City didn't allow it.


EBR City-Parish has no oversight on public school system(s).
Posted by crkelly91
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2014
1528 posts
Posted on 8/7/16 at 3:03 pm to
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When your entire life is based on entitlements, why bother to get an education anyway?


Do you guys truly believe this of the black community ? (If so then there is a conversation to be had).

On the other hand, this could just be a social platform where people come to be unabashed racist. Consistianly spewing echo-camber knuckle dragging ideals. Which would make a conversation a huge waste of time.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 8/7/16 at 3:08 pm to
OK, I'll start the conversation.

If blacks believe in education so deeply, then why are the majority-black schools underperforming so badly?

These schools get more per-student public funding than Highland Park (the richest school district in Texas) and Eanes ISD (Westlake, the richest part of Austin).
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44146 posts
Posted on 8/7/16 at 3:09 pm to
quote:

i am not sure of the argument but i'm guessing it is...people will take advantage of the funding to create shitty schools and sell them to the various poor/black communities, basically selling shitty schools as the good ones without actually being good, just to make a buck? does that sound about right?


I believe they are referring to the loss of power and money. There are some really shitty inner city schools, but its their shitty schools. Think about the demographics of the employees that work in those failing schools. If they turn the schools over to a privately managed charter school what happens to those workers, is the issue.

A typical k-8 school with a 75 per grade level (3 classes of 25) would account for around 100 jobs. Teachers, administration, front office, nurse, custodians, cafeteria workers, security, bus drivers, special services. Some of those are good paying middle class jobs, with a pension.

A now a private charter comes in out-sources the custodial, busing, cafeteria staffs to private companies, replaces the veteran teachers with cheaper Teach for America, who leave with their 2 year contracts are up.
Profit.

Schools remain failing, so 4 years later the charters are revoked, the private companies leave town, and the black middle class in those areas just suffered major below to their pockets books.

I'm not arguing the merits of their statement, just that this is about money and power. And their is a lot of money and power in public education. Two Orleans Parish School Board Presidents, since Katrina, are in jail over contracts.


Posted by Boxcar
Richmond VA
Member since Mar 2016
900 posts
Posted on 8/7/16 at 3:10 pm to
Monkey with a loaded gun ?
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
133422 posts
Posted on 8/7/16 at 3:19 pm to
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Do you guys truly believe this of the black community ? (If so then there is a conversation to be had).





See, I think this is where you are thinking wrong.

I'd be willing to bet a large majority of "white people" (a stupid term in and of itself) don't see all black people as the same.

Especially in the south, most people work alongside decent, hardworking blacks. People we respect and care about.

Are you suggesting that these people are the exact same as the hoodlums we see on TV? That the welfare queen pushing the cart full of steak and crab legs with her little bastard rainbow behind her is the same as the black man swinging a hammer on the job site?

You don't see how lumping the "black community" together as one monolithic entity is a bad thing?
Posted by lsuhunt555
Teakwood Village Breh
Member since Nov 2008
38974 posts
Posted on 8/7/16 at 3:36 pm to
Nothing says "Advancement" more than trying to bring everyone's education down to your level by trying to shut down good schools.
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