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re: My little ones were sitting on the sofa with me while I was watching the draft

Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by Moustache
GEAUX TIGERS
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:26 pm to
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why in the hell would anyone make that choice considering all the hatred and ridicule it opens them up to? How strong does the desire have to be? Love is a powerful thing.


Why the hell do people pierce themselves or act like a thug? it just brings ridicule.

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Aren't addictions and emotions the result of very complex chemical reactions in the brain? Kind of like desires and love, right?


Which some have been proven to genetically be passed down.

Posted by ThatsAFactJack
East Coast
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:28 pm to
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CidCock
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ETA: I have a 8 week old, so no problem yet. I plan to raise her that we don't think that's right (gasp). Hopefully, I can explain that we don't hate them, but we don't agree with their lifestyle. That makes me a homophobe, tho.


I am with you on this boat. I will teach my 3 year old daughter that we do not agree with this type of lifestyle, but we still treat everyone equally. No different then baptist not drinking. They still respect and allow others to drink. SOme people can't get the simple concept that even if you don't agree you can still be respectful.
Posted by SthGADawg
Member since Nov 2007
7035 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:31 pm to
my kids don't even know who Michael Sam is...how about that shite...



basically cause the draft sucks after round 1
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
71795 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:31 pm to
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Can anyone show me where it black and white says it is a sin besides what I quoted earlier?



In the New Testament there is this in Romans Chapter 1....

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22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.




Posted by rd280z
Richmond
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:32 pm to
I would say that the white guy was an ugly girl with very short hair
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:32 pm to
Still waiting to know if you chose to be attracted to women and could choose to be attracted to men.
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:33 pm to
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Can anyone show me where it black and white says it is a sin besides what I quoted earlier?


Free Speech Alley, like every day.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85353 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:37 pm to
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I will teach my 3 year old daughter that we do not agree with this type of lifestyle, but we still treat everyone equally.


if you want her to treat them and view them the same as everyone else, why even teach her that it is wrong?

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No different then baptist not drinking. They still respect and allow others to drink.


while silently judging you

Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
48668 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:40 pm to
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We both agreed that we don't want to discriminate against gays, but at the same time we don't want our your son seeing that shite on TV. contradictory, statement is contradictory


Nothing contradictory about that. Its simple but maybe you can't understand it so I will break it down for you. He doesn't care what these gays do and won't let it effect how he treats them. See? no discrimination. But at the same time his 5 year old son questions this and wonders why 2 men are kissing. This kids instincts tell him its not natural which led to the question to his Dad, why? The Dad doesn't know how to answer this question in a way that a 5 year old will understand without it confusing him even more. Does this help you or does this run contradictory to your liberal agenda?
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
73100 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:41 pm to
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They still respect and allow others to drink


They do?

You never heard of Dry Counties?

Whenever you go to one, what is the dominate religion?

talk about forcing on others.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29043 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:42 pm to
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Why the hell do people pierce themselves or act like a thug? it just brings ridicule.
To fit in with a certain crowd or to make a statement. They probably feed off the ridicule from those people. They want you to react and notice. (Most) gay people just want to be treated "normally".

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Aren't addictions and emotions the result of very complex chemical reactions in the brain? Kind of like desires and love, right?
Which some have been proven to genetically be passed down.

Are you agreeing with my suggestion that sexuality is in the same boat with addictions and other emotions, being that they are the results of brain chemistry? I don't follow your argument.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
48668 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:43 pm to
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why even teach her that it is wrong?


Because it is wrong.

Phil Robertson was dead on right something is seriously wrong with a man who prefers a man's anus over a vagina.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
71795 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:43 pm to
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if you want her to treat them and view them the same as everyone else, why even teach her that it is wrong?


You can teach your child that certain actions are wrong while teaching them to not hate those who do those actions.

For example, let's say your child's teacher tells her that homosexuality is wrong but that we should not hate or be mean homosexuals. When your child comes and asks you about what her teacher told you, what would you tell your daughter?
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
73100 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:44 pm to
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besides what I quoted earlier?


Yeah I quoted 27 earlier. But it is not the line used to unite Christianity against gays.
But the point it there is very little reference to it. Yet many will use the OT to back the word of the bible, but then cast out every other part of it.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85353 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:46 pm to
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You can teach your child that certain actions are wrong while teaching them to not hate those who do those actions.


yes, we have already been through that

but I'm not talking about hate, just treating them equally

if you tell a child that someone they know is living a lifestyle that you, as the parent, views as immorally wrong, that child is not going to view that person as equal to someone living a lifestyle that you agree with
Posted by SthGADawg
Member since Nov 2007
7035 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:46 pm to
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Dry Counties



you can still drink in these counties...just can't buy...don't like it?....then vote in representatives or council members who will do away with it..


personally I dont like the comparison...drinking booze and committing homosexual acts are two totally different topics....
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
175235 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:47 pm to
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When Michael Sam got drafted and they showed him kissing his S/O, my kids asked me "daddy, why is that man on tv kissing another man in the mouth?"

I didn't know how to respond that to that question to where a 5 year old would be able to understand. So, I acted like I didn't hear it and sent his arse off to get me a drink from the frig.

I sat down with my wife to discuss what happened and she said she didn't know how to discuss it either. We both agreed that we don't want to discriminate against gays, but at the same time we feel that he's too young to see those type of things on TV.

I guess I was caught off guard by what they showed on TV and the immediate question asked by my son.

How would you handle this situation?


ETA: For those bashing me, forgive me for wanting to think over the issue before presenting a suitable response to my kid. I was trying to think of the best way to answer his question.


I seriously doubt any of the above actually took place in real life.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:47 pm to
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How would you handle this situation?


As honestly as possible given what the child knows about sex in general.

If it was my 7 year old who will not be deterred from getting an answer by diversionary tactics, I'd simply say that most people are like mommy and me and fall in love with someone who is opposite of them, like a man and a woman. Some don't. And just like me and mommy, these people love each other and sometimes do things like kiss.

If he started asking "the whys" what he would ask would determine how far I'd go. Why do they love people that are the same would get an answer along the lines of, "Well...everyone's different. Once I stopped thinking girls were yucky, I always liked them the way I like mommy. I think that's the same for people like this man. When he was old enough to realize who he liked, he liked people like him."

There's no reason to go any further any more so than you would in a discussion about heterosexual sex with a child.

Honestly...of the myriad of things I feel I need to help my boys with as they grow up, conversations like these don't really rank all that high.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
73100 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:48 pm to
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personally I dont like the comparison...drinking booze and committing homosexual acts are two totally different topics....



right, but it was in context to the person I replied to.

Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
71795 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:48 pm to
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if you tell a child that someone they know is living a lifestyle that you, as the parent, views as immorally wrong, that child is not going to view that person as equal to someone living a lifestyle that you agree with


So do you then not teach your child that some things are immoral or wrong?
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