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Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:01 pm to BamaCoaster
As I've said before, I'll never understand the backwards-ness when it comes to apparent government tyranny. People cry for the government to stay out of our lives when it comes any issue at home. But force us to fight, and possibly die, in war? No questions asked, Uncle Sam! I'll get right over there!
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:04 pm to DanMullins4Life
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I mean, he's no Caitlyn Jenner
good one, also good analogy, they were of the same era, it was a freak of an athlete, now just a freak, Bruce "took" a football scholarship at a small school to put off/avoid the draft, he was such an all around great athlete that an NBA team drafted him and he really didn't have a basketball background
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:05 pm to BayouBengals1209
He had plenty reasoning for not wanting to go to the war.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:07 pm to biglego
I don't think American hero is only deemed for military service. What he did wasn't as bad as the men who fled to Canada. He gave a voice to men and women who at that time didn't have one. I think he surpassed the sports hero title, and for African Americans he can be considered an American hero.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:12 pm to UptownnMike
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He had plenty reasoning for not wanting to go to the war.
yep, it would have cost him a lot of lost revenue, everyone on here(the most of who were probably not even born then, and having the benefit of about 50 years of hindsight,) act as if everything we know about the VN war now was known at the time, was the prevailing public opinion, and was at the forefront of a decision matrix of every kid facing the draft, NONE of which is true, Clay refused to serve for sefish personal reasons and hid behind his new found religion as his excuse(you see that with a lot of death row inmates
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Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:14 pm to BayouBengals1209
Ali stood toe to toe with The Man.
Therefore, he is a
Therefore, he is a
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:15 pm to Superior Pariah
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As I've said before, I'll never understand the backwards-ness when it comes to apparent government tyranny. People cry for the government to stay out of our lives when it comes any issue at home. But force us to fight, and possibly die, in war? No questions asked, Uncle Sam! I'll get right over there!
nailed it. How many of the morons criticizing Ali voted for someone who use wealthy connections to get out of going to Vietnam?
Ali wasn't necessarily a hero to me, but he took a courageous stance knowing damn well how it would ruin him professionally.
This post was edited on 6/11/16 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:20 pm to Mars duMorgue
Why is it considered unpatriotic to stand up to a tyrannical government that was wasting a lot of good poor American lives?
Look at today? How many lives have been lost by the last 2 presidents for very little reason?
Look at today? How many lives have been lost by the last 2 presidents for very little reason?
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:24 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
I don't have issue with him not going because of his faith. I feel like people always conveniently look over that his conviction was overturned by the Supreme Court and with good reason.
The things he said and supported while affiliated with the Nation of Islam is a whole other matter.
The things he said and supported while affiliated with the Nation of Islam is a whole other matter.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:38 pm to BayouBengals1209
He didnt fight in the war, but what he did do is stand up for his beliefs and fight for the rights of black people in the country at the time. Which will forever make him a hero in my eyes.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:39 pm to 777Tiger
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everyone on here(the most of who were probably not even born then, and having the benefit of about 50 years of hindsight,) act as if everything we know about the VN war now was known at the time, was the prevailing public opinion
anyone with a pulse or conscience back then knew the war was bad news. I guess you're a mindless government drone. Let me guess, you call yourself a small government conservative too. Nothing says small government like 58000 dead Americans .
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:40 pm to BluegrassBelle
I agree with you on that last part
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:50 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Hero is a term that gets thrown around way too loosely, mostly by people who don't know what a true hero is.
Yeah he didn't want to senselessly kill people or endorse the senseless killing of people on the other side of the world in the name of patriotism for a country that treated his people like second class citizens - can NOT be a hero.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:50 pm to REG861
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anyone with a pulse or conscience back then knew the war was bad news
as I've pointed out when this horse was only freshly dead, the majority of the country did not sour on the war until after Tet, at the time that the brave Cassius Clay took his heroic stand against his country, the majority of the country still believed that we were there to help stop the spread of communism, and had complete, albeit ultimately misfounded, trust in their government
also, this is a discussion on social message board, it's not I like I spend every waking moment agaonizing over this, it's just a discussion
and BTW:
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Let me guess, you call yourself a small government conservative too.
what are you, some kind of arm chair shrink?
Posted on 6/11/16 at 1:14 pm to BayouBengals1209
Definitely NOT a hero.
A hero kills people, people who wish him harm. A hero is part human and part supernatural. A hero is born out of a childhood trauma, or out of a disaster, and must be avenged...
A hero kills people, people who wish him harm. A hero is part human and part supernatural. A hero is born out of a childhood trauma, or out of a disaster, and must be avenged...
Posted on 6/11/16 at 1:16 pm to BayouBengals1209
I came more about how racist he was than the draft dodging
Posted on 6/11/16 at 1:18 pm to 20MuleTeam
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and he didn't run away to Canada either.
This TOO!
What would have happened had he done this? He was the world champion. Why couldn't a Canadian be the champion. Could he be stripped of the titles? Would he have gotten them back sooner, meaning been reinstated sooner than 3 years? Would Canada accept him?
Just looked it up. Wikipedia mind you. 20,000-30,000 draft eligible men were documented as immigrating to Canada. Other numbers say between 50,000-125,000 people moved or immigrated to Canada "out of opposition to the war". Whether that was families moving over with draft aged dads or hippies "done" with The Man? Who knows.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 1:18 pm to bee Rye
You came over that? That's disgusting.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 1:21 pm to bee Rye
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Muhammed Ali... American Hero?
I came more about how racist he was than the draft dodging
Did this linger later in life?
He was put through a lot of shite by white men who were in power at the time. He was in his youthful prime during the civil rights movement? Was there a black man alive at that time not a little leery or outright racist?
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