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re: mRNA Vaccines Can Be Quickly Adjusted to Account for New Variants. Not So Fast My Friend!
Posted on 9/24/21 at 11:57 am to STEVED00
Posted on 9/24/21 at 11:57 am to STEVED00
quote:your timeline is arbitrary... what are you even comparing this to?
One that “it could be easily and quickly updated”
quote:it's disingenuous to leave out poor/slow vaccine uptake and/or vaccine hesitancy when bringing that up
and two that it would greatly curb the spread of Covid which it obviously has not
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Posted on 9/24/21 at 11:59 am to STEVED00
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The shot won’t be available until 2022 as per the Moderna person in charge. Relatively same time frame as original
I thought that timeframe was too fast... now it's too slow? WTF
Posted on 9/24/21 at 12:00 pm to Slagathor
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I thought that timeframe was too fast... now it's too slow? WTF
The vaccine is bad and whatever arguments are needed against it are good. its perfectly consistent logic actually.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 12:02 pm to Slagathor
quote:I was going to say, the first one was unsafe because it came out in a year. The delta dose came out in 8 weeks so it must frick you up like a Mike Tyson uppercut
I thought that timeframe was too fast... now it's too slow? WTF
Posted on 9/24/21 at 12:04 pm to STEVED00
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There were reports it could updated on the fly within weeks. People pushed back saying it would still take time. This article confirms it will take relatively the same amount of time as the original vaccine.
You are conflating two separate things. It is absolutely true that mRNA vaccines can be quite sensitive to variants. It's also true that it will take time to test it and to get approval. Do you understand why?
Posted on 9/24/21 at 12:14 pm to Ingeniero
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The delta dose came out in 8 weeks
Did it?
It's clear most of you plan to dominate this discussion with memory holing and straw men. Great talk, scientists.
The Delta booster will be out probably 12+ months after it became a VoC here and 18 months after it dominated the UK and India. Very solid turnaround, but nothing mind blowing. I would hope as more trials and approvals come for boosters, that timeline gets smaller so we can get it out to people who need it and want it before that particular variant runs through an entire nation.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 12:33 pm to Adam Banks
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Pfizer tried to get the booster approved for the masses and y’all said “they are already admitting it doesn’t work and less than 6 months want another bit of profit”
This is just one of many ways that poor messaging has led to more vaccine hesitance.
1. Natural immunity is real. I understand that from a public health tallying standpoint it's easier to track people who have been injected than people who have already been infected and recovered from COVID, but it needs to be talked about considered in our policy decisions.
2. Our "leaders" telling everyone to "trust the science" are pushing flimsy science when it comes to boosters. At least at this point in time, 2 doses of the vaccine seems to keep the vast majority of people out of the hospital. Pushing boosters feeds into the big pharma profits narrative and sends the message that the vaccines don't work, when they do.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 12:42 pm to crazy4lsu
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You are conflating two separate things. It is absolutely true that mRNA vaccines can be quite sensitive to variants. It's also true that it will take time to test it and to get approval. Do you understand why?
I do.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 12:45 pm to GRTiger
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Anyone who thinks being anti mandate is being anti vax, they are a miserable retarded twat.
I'm anti mandate, so why would I think think this?
I also only consider a few people here to be "anti vax", and those are the people that are actively cheering for the vaccines to fail
I just think its funny how sensitive people are to that term while chanting every original anti vax tenant of the last few decades
Posted on 9/24/21 at 12:45 pm to Duke
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The vaccine is bad and whatever arguments are needed against it are good. its perfectly consistent logic actually.
I disagree. Vaccine is good. Overselling things is bad. Trust has been ruined in this country. We are told things everyday that we know just don’t make sense but in this case you are labeled “antivaxx” if you question.
This post was edited on 9/24/21 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 9/24/21 at 12:52 pm to Salmon
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I also only consider a few people here to be "anti vax", and those are the people that are actively cheering for the vaccines to fail
I just think its funny how sensitive people are to that term while chanting every original anti vax tenant of the last few decades
I don’t want the vaccine to fail. I just want to point out the failure is being sold false goods. Being told things that just don’t seem to add up and if you question them you are labeled anti-vaxx.
The vaccine was touted as the only way to end the pandemic and now it is becoming pretty clear that the vaccine will not do that.
This post was edited on 9/24/21 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 9/24/21 at 12:53 pm to Salmon
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its funny how sensitive people are to that term
It highlights the idiocy around us.
Its false, and ridiculous.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 12:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It highlights the idiocy around us.
Its false, and ridiculous.
Idiocy is “science” means anything but that at the moment.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 12:57 pm to STEVED00
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I just want to point out the failure is being sold false goods
Not really. They have done remarkably well for a respiratory virus.
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Being told things that just don’t seem to add up and if you question them you are labeled anti-vaxx.
If you actively search for any and all bad news, can you blame someone for thinking this?
If all I posted was bad things that I thought Trump did, would you not assume I was anti Trump?
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The vaccine was touted as the only way to end the pandemic and now it is becoming pretty clear that the vaccine will not do that.
Its still pretty clearly the most effective way to end it.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 12:58 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It highlights the idiocy around us.
Its false, and ridiculous.
keep this same energy next time you start slinging out your massive generalizations anytime someone disagrees with you
Posted on 9/24/21 at 1:02 pm to Salmon
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Its still pretty clearly the most effective way to end it.
It’s the most effective way for keeping at risk people out of the hospital. I agree with that but will it go away? I guess we will see.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 1:05 pm to STEVED00
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It’s the most effective way for keeping at risk people out of the hospital. I agree with that but will it go away? I guess we will see.
It will never "go away". We just need it to become endemic.
And I think its somewhat funny that the article that you lifted the quote from in your OP, the Moderna Chief Executive says it will become endemic in 2022.
This post was edited on 9/24/21 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 9/24/21 at 1:07 pm to Salmon
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And I think its somewhat funny that the article that you lifted the quote from in your OP, the Moderna Chief Executive says it will become endemic in 2022.
Ok. Will the required vaccination be ended in 2022?
Posted on 9/24/21 at 1:08 pm to STEVED00
I have no idea. I'm done making predictions on this.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 1:14 pm to STEVED00
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I do
I suspect not, as then you probably wouldn't be asking this.
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