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re: Mosaic plant in St. James might have a problem...
Posted on 1/31/19 at 7:22 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Posted on 1/31/19 at 7:22 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Is there no feasible way to lower the pH?
They could treat it with caustic and bring the PH up, iirc it has to be 4 or higher.
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Posted on 1/31/19 at 7:30 pm to LSUFanHouston
Damn that’s crazy seeing this. My father in law was the maintenance supervisor there for many years until he retired several years ago
Posted on 1/31/19 at 7:52 pm to LSUFanHouston
Isn't there a huge pile of this shite off of LA 30, down the street from Tanger?
Posted on 1/31/19 at 8:01 pm to CHEDBALLZ
Yes, but phos acid plant is shut down.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:05 pm to Capt ST
Anything under 2 and over 12 has to be reported if enough hits the ground. Of course, a lot of times plants will fudge the numbers to not have to report it. Wait, I didn't say that... 
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:11 pm to LSUFanHouston
Haven't read your link yet, buy I've read some other articles about it. Here are a couple of clarifications and a tidbit I haven't heard mentioned I this thread:
The radioactive material is primarily uranium and radium.
The pH is about 2.0 and was compared to the acidity of lemon juice.
And my favorite:
Back when this place was owned by Freeport, Jim Bob wanted to dump it in the Mississippi River. (As we all know, the solution to pollution is dilution.) The downstream communities that get their drinking water from the river protested because they'd have to test for and treat, if necessary, for radiation.
The radioactive material is primarily uranium and radium.
The pH is about 2.0 and was compared to the acidity of lemon juice.
And my favorite:
Back when this place was owned by Freeport, Jim Bob wanted to dump it in the Mississippi River. (As we all know, the solution to pollution is dilution.) The downstream communities that get their drinking water from the river protested because they'd have to test for and treat, if necessary, for radiation.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:12 pm to LSUFanHouston
Mosaic will blame it on Together St. James.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:14 pm to MrLSU
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Mosaic plant in St. James might have a problem...
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I just got off the phone with Gordon due to the stress this potential disaster is causing me.
If you live along the Blind River it will cause you some harm because when (not IF) this collapse takes place it will catastrophic. 720 million gallons of radioactive acidic water which will kill 100% of all wild and aquatic life that comes in contact with it.
This is radioactive contamination that would be impossible to decontaminate.
Maybe. What the article may have left out is that prior to 1975 they dumped all of the Gypsum directly into the Miss River.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:18 pm to RealityTiger
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Mosaic better have a million pounds of caustic on hand, just in case. And the foam that would create...
Well.... Oxy is right across the road.and they make caustic..
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:19 pm to elprez00
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Mosaic plant in St. James might have a problem...
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This is radioactive contamination that would be impossible to decontaminate.
Easy there chief. It’s probably tritium. It takes a hell of a lot more than “trace” to make a difference.
The highly acidic water is what’s gonna cause damage.
And that is exactly why the original company was forced to quit dumping it in the river in the 70's. It was completely because of affecting the river's PH.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:21 pm to Capt ST
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Yes, but phos acid plant is shut down.
Competing companies and exact same "pile of shite" on 30
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:24 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
Normal effluent streams are treated with acid or caustic and sent back to the river with a pH between 6 and 9...and strictly monitored.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:28 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Oilfieldbiology
You seem like you know this stuff.
If a 500 ft section of this pile were to go tits up and all this acidic water runs out across the land, are we talking a messy situation, or an environmental nightmare?
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:28 pm to LSUFanHouston
Is the huge pond north of PCS “nutrien” the same type of pond?
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:29 pm to DustyDinkleman
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Was this directly from the link, because it sure as frick was hard to read.
Directly from the advocate article. They aren't exactly great writers...
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:29 pm to White Roach
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And my favorite:
Back when this place was owned by Freeport, Jim Bob wanted to dump it in the Mississippi River. (As we all know, the solution to pollution is dilution.) The downstream communities that get their drinking water from the river protested because they'd have to test for and treat, if necessary, for radiation.
Pretty sure Jim Bob didn't want it dumped but actually dumped it. Pretty sure all of the Phosphate plants on the river did just that until regulating bodies stopped the practice.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:32 pm to Mudminnow
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s is the alarming part. I heard about the crack and spreading but haven't heard about the bulge
The bulge always comes when the crack spreads
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:45 pm to MrLSU
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because when (not IF) this collapse takes place it will
Those are some definites you are throwing out there.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:50 pm to Jimbeaux
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Dumb question: obviously the stuff can’t be used to make sheetrock or else they would have done it by now, but can someone tell me very basically why it can’t be used for that purpose?
They have tried many things. Including paving roads. Some of the phosogypsum (sp?) can be removed from the sites.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 10:32 pm to fightin tigers
Remember when they talked about discharging it to the river, BR Mayor Pat Screen was quoted as saying ships would be coming up the river glowing in the dark. We found later why he was seeing things. 
And yes, the pile at Highway 30 and 3115 is the same stuff.
And yes, the pile at Highway 30 and 3115 is the same stuff.
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