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re: Modern-day alchemy! Scientists turn lead into gold at the Large Hadron Collider
Posted on 5/17/25 at 12:02 am to SPAGHETTI PLATE
Posted on 5/17/25 at 12:02 am to SPAGHETTI PLATE
It's been a long time since I was in anything that could be vaguely related to a physics class.
It seems like my biggest takeaway was " Everything wants to be lead because it's the most stable molecular structure"
In effect, if you turned lead to gold, will you have turned back time?
It seems like my biggest takeaway was " Everything wants to be lead because it's the most stable molecular structure"
In effect, if you turned lead to gold, will you have turned back time?
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Posted on 5/17/25 at 12:02 am to Obtuse1
Electrons don’t orbit nuclei like a moon orbits a planet. The classical idea of electrons moving in fixed circular paths is a simplified analogy. Electrons exist in probabilistic “clouds” or orbitals around the nucleus. These orbitals define regions where electrons are likely to be found.
Posted on 5/17/25 at 12:20 am to Darth_Vader
The Alchemist's Secret!
Posted on 5/17/25 at 12:24 am to Darth_Vader
quote:Well, if you have a $9 billion collider, and a staff with operations costing an annual $1 billion, maybe you can make a picogram of gold every day. I think the world's gold wealthy folks are going to be okay.
A lot of the world’s wealth is based on gold. Gold’s value comes from its scarcity. If they figure out how to make it out of lead, think about what that means.
Posted on 5/17/25 at 12:35 am to Synoptic
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Electrons don’t orbit nuclei like a moon orbits a planet. The classical idea of electrons moving in fixed circular paths is a simplified analogy. Electrons exist in probabilistic “clouds” or orbitals around the nucleus. These orbitals define regions where electrons are likely to be found.
No shite Sherlock. That MIGHT be the reason I used the word cloud twice in my post, specifically to ward off the akshually posts.
Whether in a cloud or in simplified individual fixed orbits, there would be times the electron's vector would have a forward (relative to the nucleus) component. This means at times the electrons would be moving faster relative to the nucleus. If the atom is moving at near light speed and the cloud stays a sphere, then given electrons have mass we have a potential issue.
I think there are three possibilities:
The movement of the electrons slows down significantly (very unlikely)
The cloud becomes pancaked and flat or forms a hemisphere with the flat part perpendicular to the vector of travel (maybe)
I am missing something completely (very possible)
Posted on 5/17/25 at 12:36 am to Darth_Vader
I remember when Texas was gonna have that collider
Posted on 5/17/25 at 12:40 am to Zappas Stache
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I remember when Texas was gonna have that collider
They would have mis-used it, to slice beef brisket.
Posted on 5/17/25 at 12:47 am to auggie
Quarks don't retain smoke very well
Posted on 5/17/25 at 12:53 am to Zappas Stache
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Quarks don't retain smoke very well
We have people working on that, whatever that is...
Posted on 5/17/25 at 1:42 am to Obtuse1
Wasn’t trying to condescend. Thought you were looking for physics discussion.
To your comment on the three possibilities, the second one is closest.
The idea of electron orbitals “slowing down" doesn't apply directly, as electrons don't have definite trajectories. However, the relativistic motion of the atom can shift the energy levels of orbitals.
Regarding orbital shape, the shape of electron orbital clouds does not change in the atom's rest frame, regardless of its speed. However, for an observer at rest, the orbitals appear contracted along the direction of motion due to Lorentz contraction when the atom approaches the speed of light. This is a relativistic effect on the observed spatial distribution, not an intrinsic change to the orbitals themselves.
Anyway, none of this is meant to correct you or “one up” you or anything. You seem interested in the topic so thought I would discuss.
To your comment on the three possibilities, the second one is closest.
The idea of electron orbitals “slowing down" doesn't apply directly, as electrons don't have definite trajectories. However, the relativistic motion of the atom can shift the energy levels of orbitals.
Regarding orbital shape, the shape of electron orbital clouds does not change in the atom's rest frame, regardless of its speed. However, for an observer at rest, the orbitals appear contracted along the direction of motion due to Lorentz contraction when the atom approaches the speed of light. This is a relativistic effect on the observed spatial distribution, not an intrinsic change to the orbitals themselves.
Anyway, none of this is meant to correct you or “one up” you or anything. You seem interested in the topic so thought I would discuss.
Posted on 5/17/25 at 7:21 am to LSUballs
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They proved a long time ago that the knee grows steel.
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LSUballs
Mark?
Posted on 5/17/25 at 7:58 am to Kafka
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so how does this affect the world's financial system?
Crawfish prices will go up.
Posted on 5/17/25 at 8:02 am to Darth_Vader
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Gold’s value comes from its scarcity. If they figure out how to make it out of lead, think about what that means.
:goes to buy silver:
Posted on 5/17/25 at 8:05 am to Darth_Vader
Dan Brown.
Angels and Demons.
Angels and Demons.
Posted on 5/17/25 at 8:44 am to Darth_Vader
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A lot of the world’s wealth is based on gold. Gold’s value comes from its scarcity. If they figure out how to make it out of lead, think about what that means.
I'm a lead farmer mother fricker for realz
Posted on 5/17/25 at 9:03 am to Obtuse1
A while back I read an article that explained particles can move faster than light. The analogy was how if a passenger walks toward the front of a train while it’s in motion, he is moving faster than the train.
They were saying there is particles at the tip of a laser beam or something crazy like that.
They were saying there is particles at the tip of a laser beam or something crazy like that.
Posted on 5/17/25 at 9:09 am to Darth_Vader
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A lot of the world’s wealth is based on gold.
Not really
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Gold represents a small, but meaningful, fraction of the world's wealth. While there are various estimates and ways to calculate this, it's generally estimated that gold makes up about 1% of global financial assets. In simpler terms, if you were to convert all the world's wealth into a single form, like gold, the amount of gold needed would be a small percentage of the total value.
Posted on 5/17/25 at 9:15 am to ManBearTiger
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the global currency is based on humans as debt
Now the war machine stars turning. In the fields the bodies burning. Death and hatred to mankind. Poisoning their brainwashed minds.
Posted on 5/17/25 at 9:18 am to Darth_Vader
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Scientists turn lead into gold at the Large Hadron Collider
Suck it Isaac Newton
Posted on 5/17/25 at 9:26 am to Darth_Vader
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If they figure out how to make it out of lead, think about what that means.
That women will demand natural gold jewelry.
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