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Posted on 12/30/14 at 2:55 pm to
Posted by EWE TIGER
Houma
Member since Sep 2009
927 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 2:55 pm to
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Rise in ADD/autism is partially due to lazy, shitty teachers.


Apparently you don't know anyone with autism. You may want to do some research before making such an asinine statement.
Posted by ocelot4ark
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 12/30/14 at 2:56 pm to
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Apparently you don't know anyone with autism. You may want to do some research before making such an asinine statement.



Maybe you should learn what the word "partially" means. And then pick up some reading comprehension.
Posted by MikeyFL
Member since Sep 2010
10335 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 2:57 pm to
I'm very happy I didn't grow up in today's age. Given the stultifying atmosphere in most elementary and middle schools, there's no doubt I would've been diagnosed with autism.

Posted by MikeyFL
Member since Sep 2010
10335 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 3:01 pm to
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Apparently you don't know anyone with autism. You may want to do some research before making such an asinine statement.



There are certainly a number of legitimate cases. However, there is also a major problem with over-diagnosis in Western society. Instead of examining whether or not our current pedagogical methods are effective for the diversity of students in our educational systems, we prefer to drug them into compliance.

Posted by ocelot4ark
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2009
12536 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 3:04 pm to
I just don't understand why more people aren't outraged by the treatment of boys in American school systems. Do 5 minutes of research and you'll be appalled. No male role model in their schools, because teachers are all female. Female teachers who are biased against male students (backed up by studies). Female teachers who think that little boys making pop tart pistols are future psychopaths that need to be on some form of pharmaceutical.

I mean, there are checklists out there for teachers that give them items to look for in their kids that may signal autism. You know, because teachers are behavioral specialists. Teachers spend years upon years studying these types of things.

I know, I know. A teacher's "worries" shouldn't be that much of a concern (as far as an autism or ADHD diagnosis). They're just teachers. They tell the parents what they think, then it's up to the parents. But you, as a parent, will undoubtedly take your kid to the doctor. It's the logical step when someone that you trust your child with suggests it. And given the state of healthcare and our society's complete buy-in of this pharmaceutical culture, they'll prescribe that 5, 8, 10, 12 year old boy unnecessary pills that won't actually HELP him...they'll just make the teachers job easier.

Legit autism is a thing. Teacher-fueled over-diagnosis is also a thing. We can actually keep the second one from happening if female teachers would stop treating little boys as hindrances or made an attempt to foster the male psyche instead of drowning it in pills.

edit: Or if Doctors would do their jobs with a tiny bit of zeal, or "do no harm."
This post was edited on 12/30/14 at 3:06 pm
Posted by TigerLicks
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2003
11603 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 3:05 pm to
The half life on plant leaves is 8-9 days, meaning in 2 weeks most residue is gone. And the LD50 is around 5000 mg/kg in rats. If it were 20 you might worry. The stuff under your kitchen sink is far more lethal. Research study showed 80 people(79 suicide attempts) that had ingested straight concentrated 41% glyphosate. 7 died. Bottom line is you could target any chemical and make a case against it. Glyphosate is one of the least toxic chemicals in any market or use.
This article is there because it's Monsanto, the target of GMO haters. They have Monsanto on their brain and won't spend their time finding real culprits. Glyphosate isn't causing increases in autism.
Posted by BamaChemE
Midland, TX
Member since Feb 2012
7567 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 3:15 pm to
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I have a doctorate degree in identifying and exposing, or promulgating as the case may be, bullshite


Well you just got taken off the list of potential members for my defense committee.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 3:33 pm to
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A fellow panelist reported that after Dr. Seneff’s presentation, “All of the 70 or so people in attendance were squirming, likely because they realized the presenter was legit crazy and potentially had a learning disability. "

Edited for likely actual truth.
This post was edited on 12/30/14 at 3:34 pm
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87381 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 3:38 pm to
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It's pretty easy to get diagnosed in the spectrum. Any kind of quirk or anxiety at ALL and someone will claim they are autistic. I don't like public speaking. I don't like large crowds. I get nervous in public places. Must be autistic.



Which is why the engineering/math/science correlations are interesting. I'm not saying there is no legitimate biological connection, but could some of it be that weird people raising kids results in kids with social anxieties and quirkiness?
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
56579 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 3:44 pm to
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My sister has autism


Pretty sad to see
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My sister has autism Pretty sad to see
not as sad as having over 80000 posts on a forum
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
20635 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 3:50 pm to
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Neither author has any sort of degree in biology, but writers from GMOEvidence, The Gazette, and a number of green sites jumped on this article.

And they couldn’t have read it either.

While the paper is dense with biological nomenclature and unfamiliar terms, as well as 286 references, the important thing to realize is that the authors didn’t conduct any research at all. It is a review of recent literature with long convoluted arguments leading up to their points.

And this is easy to spot, because almost every other paragraph is full of scientific “weasel words” and naïve references to discredited research.

For example, they refer 5 times to Seralini’s completely discredited paper that claims the GMO crops (and maybe glyphosate we think) cause rat tumors. The European Food Safety Association and studies from 6 nations have concluded that the study was inadequately designed and reported and that even after they requested further information, Seralini did not provide it. Six French Science Academies concurred.

In Section 3, they refer to autism spectrum disorder (ASD)as being associated with “dysbiosis of the gut,” even though the papers they refer to are based on the discredited and withdrawn papers by Wakefield.



LINK

Take you bullshite somewhere else.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
70012 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 4:25 pm to
This is old news
Posted by ManBearTiger
BRLA
Member since Jun 2007
22612 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 4:38 pm to
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Legit autism is a thing. Teacher-fueled over-diagnosis is also a thing. We can actually keep the second one from happening if female teachers would stop treating little boys as hindrances or made an attempt to foster the male psyche instead of drowning it in pills.



You really don't sound like you have a clue what autism is.

It's not nothign like ADD/ADHD-which you very clearly are confusing with autism. Autism is very easy to diagnose because the symptoms are very apparent. No children past the age of 7 are being misdiagnosed as autistic.
Posted by DosManos
Member since Oct 2013
3552 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 4:42 pm to
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I just don't understand why more people aren't outraged by the treatment of boys in American school systems.


Cause it doesn't fit the narrative that boys and men are disposable, privileged, and oppressive. They also rape things. #waronwomen
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88012 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 4:44 pm to
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This study will probably get discredited, but something is up with the autism, ADD, and food allergies. I'm sure it's just better diagnosis
It's simple. Over diagnosis coupled with more study and testing which brings to light many more cases. Both of these are driven by self-interested doctors and researchers whose livelihood is based on the need for more "clients".
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88012 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 4:49 pm to
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Autism is very easy to diagnose because the symptoms are very apparent. No children past the age of 7 are being misdiagnosed as autistic.

Where are you getting this information? Symptoms are NOT always apparent because the spectrum has increased exponentially. Now there are different forms and levels of autism. And yes, there are misdiagnosed cases. I get my information from my wife, the psychologist, who did her thesis on autism and worked years researching it.
Posted by ManBearTiger
BRLA
Member since Jun 2007
22612 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 5:22 pm to
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Where are you getting this information?


Years of working directly with people who fall all over the spectrum and their families.

Yes, it may be hard to diagnose, but certainly not past early childhood, which I noted in my post.
This post was edited on 12/30/14 at 5:23 pm
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13875 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 6:00 pm to
bullshite article. The whole "autism spectrum" thing discredits kids with legit autism. My 6 year old daughter knows probably 15 words and "Stims" all the time (flaps her arms to self regulate). All of these socially awkward kids that are diagnosed on the "spectrum" siphon resources from legit cases.
This post was edited on 12/30/14 at 6:00 pm
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
72103 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 6:17 pm to
Meh

Glyphosphate is just a salt
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88012 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 6:48 pm to
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Years of working directly with people who fall all over the spectrum and their families.

Her as well. Yet she knows some who are diagnosed with "mild" autism and are in high school without their teachers even realizing. And others who are now being diagnosed well over the age of 7 because the spectrum has changed so much.

My point was that it isn't straight forward and the rules are still changing, mostly to the benefit of the doctors prescribing medicines or counseling and the researchers who need more and more participants to justify larger grants.
This post was edited on 12/30/14 at 6:49 pm
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