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Posted on 4/19/18 at 6:31 pm to NYNolaguy1
Can someone in favor of civil asset forfeiture explain how this is NOT a violation of constitutional rights to due process?
Posted on 4/19/18 at 6:33 pm to ThatMakesSense
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What's your solution to CAF
Make it a federal crime like it should be. That’s easy, problem solved.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 6:35 pm to ThatMakesSense
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What's your solution to CAF?
It should go away, that is the solution.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 6:36 pm to el Gaucho
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You might as well take the cops guns away. If you break the law you lose your ill gotten gains. Back the badge
What about the countless people who did not break the law, or just got pulled over for speeding then had the cops steal all their shite based on nothing more than suspicion of other illegal activity? Then had to fight and sometimes lose costly legal battles to get their assets back when again they did nothing wrong in the first place.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 6:45 pm to memphis tiger
You people should really pay attention to who you're responding to 
Posted on 4/19/18 at 6:47 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Are you suggesting they are not objective now?
I'm suggesting it's objective now, but could be better used subjectively.
It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out who is doing illegal shite with great profits.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 6:47 pm to memphis tiger
Most people, at least in Minnesota, don’t fight it because of the costs. Minnesota creates an entire seperate case for the civil forfeiture that does not follow the criminal allegations, which means an additional set of court fees,administrative fees, travel expenses, attorney fees
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 4/19/18 at 6:50 pm to NYNolaguy1
That "article" is a laughably absurd defense of the circumvention of due process.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 6:50 pm to Epic Cajun
As a law enforcement officer, I have huge reservations about CAF. It would be completely fine with me if there were no forfeiture proceedings until post-conviction.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 6:51 pm to memphis tiger
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Can someone in favor of civil asset forfeiture explain how this is NOT a violation of constitutional rights to due process?
Simply put, because they charge your property with being guilty of a crime. Because your property has far fewer rights than a human, our laws say its allowed, and its assumed to be guilty and has to be proven innocent.
Its a clever bit of legal thinking. As an example, look at the case names of some of the CAF cases- State of Louisiana v. $2,000 for example
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 4/19/18 at 6:55 pm to ThatMakesSense
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It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out who is doing illegal shite with great profits.
It takes a legal system and typically a trial that is presided upon by various experts in their field. It's called due process, and it's the reason that the US isn't some shite undeveloped backwoods nation that you would rather make it.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 6:57 pm to ThatMakesSense
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It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out who is doing illegal shite with great profits.
Ironically American LEO seized more assets last year than burglars stole goods
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Posted on 4/19/18 at 6:57 pm to NYNolaguy1
Civil asset forfeiture is probably the biggest disgrace to our justice system and an affront to the constitution and bill of rights.
There is zero justification for taking the whole sum of what someone has earned (and sometimes that of their family) just because they sling some dope on the side.
It’s criminal
There is zero justification for taking the whole sum of what someone has earned (and sometimes that of their family) just because they sling some dope on the side.
It’s criminal
Posted on 4/19/18 at 6:57 pm to NYNolaguy1
This is some bullshite. Anytime it comes to money, I never want the government to have more control of the situation.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 7:02 pm to Peazey
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It takes a legal system and typically a trial that is presided upon by various experts in their field. It's called due process, and it's the reason that the US isn't some shite undeveloped backwoods nation that you would rather make it.
Great. You'd like to see a citizen that has begotten their wealth from criminal activities to have the best legal representation?
I'm sure you're tune would change if some drug lord, who got off multiple times, ended up killing someone you loved.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 7:03 pm to ThatMakesSense
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You'd like to see a citizen that has begotten their wealth from criminal activities to have the best legal representation?
In this country criminal activities are judged to be so after criminal trial, not before.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 7:05 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Ironically American LEO seized more assets last year than burglars stole goods
I'd like to see a link on that. Granted, burglars aren't stealing a fricking house at a time or 100k+ in cash.
Beaides that point and if true, you're really only proving what the LEO is saying as a proponent of the law, CAF can increase police acquisitions and help reduce crime.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 7:08 pm to NYNolaguy1
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In this country criminal activities are judged to be so after criminal trial, not before
Because verdicts in criminal trials are ALWAYS 100% correct.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 7:09 pm to ThatMakesSense
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Beaides that point and if true, you're really only proving what the LEO is saying as a proponent of the law, CAF can increase police acquisitions and help reduce crime.
I agree with half of your statement.
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Here's an interesting factoid about contemporary policing: In 2014, for the first time ever, law enforcement officers took more property from American citizens than burglars did. Martin Armstrong pointed this out at his blog, Armstrong Economics, last week.
Officers can take cash and property from people without convicting or even charging them with a crime — yes, really! — through the highly controversial practice known as civil asset forfeiture. Last year, according to the Institute for Justice, the Treasury and Justice departments deposited more than $5 billion into their respective asset forfeiture funds. That same year, the FBI reports that burglary losses topped out at $3.5 billion.
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