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Minnesota tries to end asset forfeiture, with predictable pushback from LEO
Posted on 4/19/18 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 4/19/18 at 4:53 pm
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Civil asset forfeiture is a powerful tool used by police and prosecutors in Minnesota and across the country to break this cycle and deprive the criminals of their ill-gotten gains through seizure of drug money.
Unfortunately, two bills are working their way through the Legislature in St. Paul that would dismantle civil asset forfeiture and, in essence, say to sophisticated drug traffickers — come do business here in Minnesota (“It’s time to fix the problems of civil forfeiture,” Opinion Exchange, March 19).
The statewide organizations that represent 87 county attorneys, 87 sheriffs, more than 300 police chiefs and more than 8,500 rank-and-file peace officers stand united in opposition to these bills. We know these proposals would dramatically and adversely impact the public safety of Minnesotans by making our state a safe haven for criminals participating in the illegal distribution of drugs and even repeat drunken drivers who take lives, destroy families and wreak havoc on our roadways.
It’s important to understand that property seized in Minnesota under forfeiture laws, such as drug money and vehicles driven in drunken-driving cases, must be connected to ongoing criminal behavior. Current law allows for a person to engage in a simple process and be heard either in conciliation or district court about why the property should not be forfeited. Current law also allows a person to talk with the prosecutor without the need to start litigation. In the name of expanding due process rights and closing loopholes, these bills dramatically shift burdens and criminal-justice resources away from protecting the community to affording expansive procedures to those involved in criminal behavior.
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The proposed changes would make forfeitures so difficult to prove and so time-consuming and costly for law enforcement, prosecutors and courts that forfeitures would diminish to near nothing. Additionally, the bills would divert all net proceeds to the state general fund. There would be no requirement to use any proceeds for community crime prevention and intervention programs that are currently having tremendously positive impacts on the lives of people addicted to drugs and victims of crime.
We are not alone in our concern and our opposition. The League of Minnesota Cities, county officials and Mothers Against Drunk Driving also oppose the bill.
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To be clear these guys are complaining about having to convict someone before stealing everything they own.
Its getting more difficult to tell who the thieves and criminals are
Posted on 4/19/18 at 4:55 pm to NYNolaguy1
They fear for their lives. They must take all your money and possessions.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 5:00 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Mothers Against Drunk Driving also oppose the bill.
Pearl clutchers gonna clutch.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 5:01 pm to NYNolaguy1
People that are pro-CAF are despicable human beings.
Its a slap in the Constitution's face.
Its a slap in the Constitution's face.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 5:02 pm to NYNolaguy1
Biggest organized crime syndicate on the planet. The Thin Blue Lyin'
Posted on 4/19/18 at 5:03 pm to Sao
I love how MADD is pro CAF
Of fricking course. Screw all these horrible people.
Of fricking course. Screw all these horrible people.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 5:03 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Its getting more difficult to tell who the thieves and criminals are
Kinda like after a natural disaster, it's theft to steal food, water, clothing...but is it criminal?
The badge, gun, and uniform do NOT make for an honest person. Thieves can come in all shapes, sizes, and wear all colors including Blue (as well as prosecutors/DA's/judges in pin striped suits). Thugs in disguise and backed by the law are still thugs.
There's a reason the cops wear masks nowadays. There's still shame in being a thief, thug, and strong arm robber.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 5:03 pm to NYNolaguy1
haha who needs a 4th amendment
Posted on 4/19/18 at 5:06 pm to NYNolaguy1
What a silly argument. Moving the goalposts constantly. I thought longer sentences were what kept drugs out? What's that you say? It didn't work?
Now if they can't steal your property and make you spend time and money to get it back, crime is going to go up again.
I know people have been conditioned to believe this nonsense but I'll be glad when the majority sees it for what it is. Which won't happen until all the boomers and the next generation are gone.
Now if they can't steal your property and make you spend time and money to get it back, crime is going to go up again.
I know people have been conditioned to believe this nonsense but I'll be glad when the majority sees it for what it is. Which won't happen until all the boomers and the next generation are gone.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 5:11 pm to Sidicous
It's always been that way though at least. It's nothing new. It's just unfortunate that this type of position attracts some of the assholes on the planet.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 5:20 pm to NYNolaguy1
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The proposed changes would make forfeitures so difficult to prove and so time-consuming and costly for law enforcement
This quote perfectly illustrates the unconstitutional nature of asset seizure. The burden is always on the government to prove criminality. It’s completely mind blowing that this has ever been allowed, much less allowed to continue and expand across the country.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 5:23 pm to NYNolaguy1
What's your solution to CAF?
Posted on 4/19/18 at 5:24 pm to ThatMakesSense
To not have it? Seems like we managed to operate without it for a few hundred years.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 5:27 pm to HempHead
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To not have it? Seems like we managed to operate without it for a few hundred years.
Should law enforcement and the courts always remain objective in CAF cases?
Posted on 4/19/18 at 5:54 pm to ThatMakesSense
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What's your solution to CAF?
Require a conviction before any assets can be seized.
Further any proceeds gotten shall be deposited into the general state fund.
Lastly no LEO should be able to compel any citizen to sign any waiver of ownership under threat of arrest or imprisonment. (Yes this has happened...)
Posted on 4/19/18 at 5:55 pm to ThatMakesSense
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Should law enforcement and the courts always remain objective in CAF cases?
Are you suggesting they are not objective now?
Posted on 4/19/18 at 5:57 pm to TheCaterpillar
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I love how MADD is pro CAF
Legit drunk drivers should burn in hell, but those crazy mofos basically want one beer to be a felony.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 6:01 pm to NYNolaguy1
You might as well take the cops guns away. If you break the law you lose your ill gotten gains. Back the badge
Posted on 4/19/18 at 6:03 pm to Jcorye1
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Legit drunk drivers should burn in hell, but those crazy mofos basically want one beer to be a felony.
It's telling who they cast their lots with.
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