re: Millennials earn 20% less than Boomers did at same stage of life

Wait until you realize that this entire forum is nothing but personal anecdotes that don't mean anything.

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Sometimes there is legitimate discussion (with stats, charts, etc) then people start talking about what their kids and parents did

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Typical millennial, always resorting to "facts" and "statistics" because you can't make a real argument. No wonder y'all can't make it in the real world.

I love when these threads break down into old morons wondering why people don't want to drive shitty cars or live in a 2 bedroom apartment with 9 other people.

I am a millennial, first year millennial to be exact. And honestly people are just lazy now a days and expect something because they have a degree. I hire unskilled labor every single day at 20/hour plus benifits after three months. All I ask is have a Twix card and pass drug and background. It's hard work, it sucks but it pays well starting out. If you have a degree and can do it for a year or two max you would come into the office making 32 to 34 starting out plus vehicle allowance and other benefits.

Every single millennial I have interviewed took it as an insult I even offered a manual labor type job to them. Normally I would offer them an office position, problem is kids now coming out of school in programs like engineering have no clue how construction works or how constructability factors into a project so they have to learn some how.

Point is the biggest problem with all ages now is they are lazy. It's not a generational thing it's just a fact. Biggest thing wrong with millennials is they have no clue how to do everyday task or any experience with their hands building or making things. Sorry but you can't do project management, project controls, accounting, manage people etc if you don't understand how things are created in the field. This goes for construction, engineering, oil field, manufacturing, refinery and pretty much every industry. You have to be willing to learn and work hard to educate yourself and this is the main issue with the whole workforce.

Some finance fields are the exception but you better understand business or in something like banking, you better have a good understanding of money flow and how to deal with people.

Like the spiraling cost of education or the over education of America?

It is obvious by reading this thread that most of these people haven't had to look for a job in the past 5-10 years. Some of the stuff posted is almost infuriating actually. Economic and job market problems are all caused by boomers (and early gen-x'ers). They just cannot see it for some reason.

I'd say you have caused around 75% of new grads in the past 10 years to be underemployed.

Their minimum hiring qualifications are completely ridiculous. They want people to have 2-5 years experience plus a degree and 3.5+ GPA to work an entry-level job....with entry-level pay. Now what entry-level graduate would be applying for a job that requires 2-5 years of direct experience? Either the unqualified ones, or no one. Yall can thank yourselves and your HR departments for that one.

They even want experience and training for the most menial of jobs. I saw that someone posted about plants begging for people to work turnarounds right now. The problem with that is they won't hire people unless they have some type of schooling and 2+ years of working in a plant. Who pays for that schooling, and how does someone get 2+ years experience working in a plant when even the lowest job requires plant experience?

I applied for a job a while back as a maintenance worker with LSU-HSC. The requirements were a HS diploma and 3+ years of experience in industrial maintenance. The pay was $10.50/hr. I went to the interview and 100% of the workers there were black. I must've seen 50 or 60 people in that department, and every single one was black. Is there a reason for that? Yes, LSU-HSC only hires black maintenance workers as a policy. How is a white kid supposed to get a job in industrial maintenance when most companies in the city only hire black people for that position? How is someone supposed to pay bills, buy a house, start a family on $20k/yr? They can't unless they receive government subsidies. So now you have only old black men who are on government subsidies working these jobs. And you complain about that.

A few months ago, I applied for a job that required a degree and fab shop experience. During the interview, it was explained that it would be primarily keeping the shop clean (emptying trash, sweeping, moving stuff around). What kind of bullshite is that?

All of you old fricks saying you pay people $45-60k for an entry-level position are either lying your asses off, or it is one of those "entry-level" jobs that you are so famous for creating. You know, one of those "entry-level" jobs that requires you to have 3+ years of experience and a degree to work part-time for garbage pay, and then have a perfect GPA before even getting an email from HR.

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Here's a hypothetical....let's say you have a position open for an accounting 1 job at your company. Two people apply. One has grown up with both parents who are accountants, doing all aspects of accounting from 16 until graduating at 21. The other worked at a snowball stand when he was 17 for one summer and also graduated when he was 21. The first applicant has a 3.1 GPA, and the second has a 3.95. Well, instead of hiring the perfect candidate who knows exactly what he's doing already, you hire the one with the higher GPA.

Now, he spends a year or two working for you. Does shite work because he has no idea what he is doing IRL, and you spend the entire time training him. He will be in a better position than the kid who couldn't get a job as an accountant until a year later, and will then leave you because he can get a job that pays more elsewhere. Then, you complain about retention rates. Guess what though...you hired the wrong person based solely on their GPA, and will do it over, and over, and over, and over again, and then blame it on an entitled generation.

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Over the past few years, I have applied to 200+ jobs over multiple industries that I was either over, or perfectly qualified for by work experience. I have cold-called, cold-emailed, shown up, spoken with family/friends, and filled out countless apps online. You say you want and need people, but you don't hire anyone (not just me). Most online were apps probably resume-fishing companies, but I'd guess half of them were legit. You old bastards are always wanting more for less pay, and then love complaining about it. You reap what you sow.


FTR, I do have a job, but am highly under-utilized. Pay is meh, but luckily I am not starving for cash like many students or new grads. The whole job search process is maddening. Hell, we can't even walk in and ask the boss for a job anymore. Have to apply online and hope your name doesn't get thrown out by a computer or an HR lady who doesn't know anything about the job.



tl;dr frick you old people. You couldn't get a job in today's market. You are the ones who caused this garbage economy. Hurry up and retire so we can take your jobs. Hurry up and die so we don't have to pay for you to live as a vegetable until 104

Someone is mad.

Ya'll think he mad?

I won't deny that.

I have seen many employers bitch and bitch and bitch about not having qualified employees, only to not hire qualified employees. I can think of one specifically that did this every time any of our students and teachers met him. You wanna know how many new people he hired in the 5 years I kept up with that industry? Zero. I went to an alumni function last year, and he was still complaining about the same thing.

They need to go back and think of what an entry-level job is, and also redefine what their entry-level requirements are. Their strategies are shutting out a lot of qualified and talented people who have much potential for growth. Again, I'm not just talking about myself. I am talking about all of the people I have gone to school with over the years.

Just wait until all millennials hit 30-40 with no skills other than working in a restaurant or bar, and then try to start a family and build a life. You'll be giving them more government subsidies because of your decisions right now.

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for a generation that was told they could do anything, they largely aspire to do nothing.

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we've been told we can achieve anything since the 1900's. You know the whole "American dream" thing.

Well, when a large chunk of people are still doing that at age 35, you have a problem