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Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:24 pm
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
40844 posts
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:24 pm
Do you honor current or former military members who do not serve in combat roles? Like for instance, people who work behind desks and just make the military machine move along.

Are they just glorified office workers to you, or do they get that same "put their life on the line for your freedom" line that all other military members get.

Some know it all here at the office today tried to say they aren't veterans, and actually dislikes those who hold those positions and claim they are "war veterans".
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
18500 posts
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:26 pm to
If you served, you served, and you earned your veteran status.
Posted by RummelTiger
Texas
Member since Aug 2004
89925 posts
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:27 pm to
You work with OleWarSkuleAlum?
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16624 posts
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:27 pm to
Just tell him he's a douchebag and go on with your life.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:28 pm to
they mean just as much to the big picture as any other member of the military
Posted by unclejhim
Folsom, La.
Member since Nov 2011
3703 posts
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:28 pm to
Honor ALL who wore the uniform.
Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
6383 posts
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:28 pm to
My grandfather enlisted in the Navy during WWII. He was in officer training pretty much the whole time, never left the country. He used to always say he wasn't a veteran because he didn't really serve. Now he's old and has decided he likes the way people talk to him when he tells them he's a WWII veteran.

I guess my answer to the question would be that I do not differentiate between people who have been in combat vs those who have not, but I believe most people who have not seen action will hold those who have in higher esteem.
Posted by GrammarKnotsi
Member since Feb 2013
9381 posts
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:29 pm to
ETA: Thread was done three days ago
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 2:32 pm
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

Honor ALL who wore the uniform.


That's honoring a lot of people. Let's say someone puts on the uniform full time for six years, gets his veteran status and honorable discharge then five years later he gets busted trying to sell child-pornography at a bus station. You gonna honor that guy?
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64703 posts
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

If you served, you served, and you earned your veteran status.



This
Posted by SniperActual6
Member since Nov 2014
121 posts
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:32 pm to
Everyone is part of the fight regardless of what position you served in.
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
40844 posts
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:36 pm to
Hey look, you don't have to convince me. I was just asking the question.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27017 posts
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:40 pm to
My Dad will tell you he was a puss. But he can say it. I would not.

He was a spoke. He got drafted in 1968. He shite his pants. Went to the Army. Then "picked" for medical training. shite himself again at the thought of being a medic. But finally got "picked" to serve in a hospital in Japan. All he did was get a beer gut and learn to drink Japanese beer and smoke.

He had no control over where he went. Nether do or did a vast majority. Just did what he was told and got out.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64703 posts
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:41 pm to
quote:

Everyone is part of the fight regardless of what position you served in.


Exactly. My job was to crew a tank. But I would not have been able to do that without the guys in maintenance keeping my tank running, or the guys in commo keeping our radios functioning. It also takes guys in supply keeping us equipped in everything from ammo to literally all the equipment we had. There's also the cooks keeping us fed and medics keeping us in running order. And that's just the combat support elements at the battalion level. Behind them were people at brigade, division, and on and on who all did their part to make sure when the time came we could shoot, move, & communicate.
Posted by Slinky
Member since Dec 2013
3118 posts
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:41 pm to
quote:

If you served, you served, and you earned your veteran status.


Everyone matters. The military could not function as a whole without all the necessary moving parts.
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
83944 posts
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:42 pm to
Darth, there's an article on NBC News talking about active duty soldiers being in outlaw biker gangs. Thought you might want to check it out.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
Yankees Fan
Member since Apr 2012
17148 posts
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:45 pm to
for every one soldier on the frontlines, there are 10 behind him making sure:

1. He was trained
2. He was equipped
3: He was fed
4: He was housed
5: He was paid
6: He was given a mission
7: He was covered defensively
8: He had the best intelligence available
9: He was in good medical condition
10: He was transported to his duty station


without those people, the soldier fails... Honor all who have worn a uniform
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64703 posts
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:45 pm to
quote:

Darth, there's an article on NBC News talking about active duty soldiers being in outlaw biker gangs. Thought you might want to check it out.


Reading it now. Let's not hijack this thread but so far the story is pure horseshite.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89595 posts
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:45 pm to
A. Memorial day is to remember those who have fallen - primarily in battle, but also those who served and are no longer with us.

2. Nobody knows when they join up how it is all going to work out. I never expected to be in Kosovo or Iraq, or fighting a giant hurricane in New Orleans, for that matter. Likewise, if you end up at a fuel depot, or in a maintenance unit - one never knows when you're in that unit and in a convoy that gets hit between bases.

But, what folks in uniform DO understand is that what they do is inherently dangerous - firing weapons, operating heavy equipment, aircraft/airfield operations, explosives, etc.

And, their bodies take a pounding from physical training, ruck marches, exposure to chemicals, 50 innoculations at 1 time, etc.

Finally, if you're ordered to do something dangerous in your job - you can resort to OSHA, DOL, EPA, etc., and, at the end of the day, quit and go home before actual exposure takes place (at least if you know about it). Military folks have chaplains, sergeants major, the IG, etc., but at the end of the day, if they refuse an order, they face sanctions up to and including death.

So - let us back off the front-line versus REMF, strac versus pogue debate and honor the service. There are wonderful Americans who haven't served a day in their life. There are worthless sacks of dung who did 30 years in the navy, and everything in between.

Service is service - if one wants to elevate "combat" service, whatever that means in 2015 - by all means, do so. But please recall that these "non-combat" servicemen and servicewomen raised their hand, gave of themselves, time away from family and voluntarily did a bunch of unpleasant things that the vast majority of our population doesn't have the stomach for.
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
83944 posts
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:46 pm to
Yeah, I was just relaying it to you.
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