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Military/Veterans question
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:24 pm
Do you honor current or former military members who do not serve in combat roles? Like for instance, people who work behind desks and just make the military machine move along.
Are they just glorified office workers to you, or do they get that same "put their life on the line for your freedom" line that all other military members get.
Some know it all here at the office today tried to say they aren't veterans, and actually dislikes those who hold those positions and claim they are "war veterans".
Are they just glorified office workers to you, or do they get that same "put their life on the line for your freedom" line that all other military members get.
Some know it all here at the office today tried to say they aren't veterans, and actually dislikes those who hold those positions and claim they are "war veterans".
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:26 pm to Kracka
If you served, you served, and you earned your veteran status.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:27 pm to Kracka
You work with OleWarSkuleAlum?
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:27 pm to Kracka
Just tell him he's a douchebag and go on with your life.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:28 pm to Kracka
they mean just as much to the big picture as any other member of the military
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:28 pm to Kracka
Honor ALL who wore the uniform.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:28 pm to Kracka
My grandfather enlisted in the Navy during WWII. He was in officer training pretty much the whole time, never left the country. He used to always say he wasn't a veteran because he didn't really serve. Now he's old and has decided he likes the way people talk to him when he tells them he's a WWII veteran.
I guess my answer to the question would be that I do not differentiate between people who have been in combat vs those who have not, but I believe most people who have not seen action will hold those who have in higher esteem.
I guess my answer to the question would be that I do not differentiate between people who have been in combat vs those who have not, but I believe most people who have not seen action will hold those who have in higher esteem.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:29 pm to Kracka
ETA: Thread was done three days ago
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:31 pm to unclejhim
quote:
Honor ALL who wore the uniform.
That's honoring a lot of people. Let's say someone puts on the uniform full time for six years, gets his veteran status and honorable discharge then five years later he gets busted trying to sell child-pornography at a bus station. You gonna honor that guy?
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:31 pm to sjmabry
quote:
If you served, you served, and you earned your veteran status.
This
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:32 pm to Kracka
Everyone is part of the fight regardless of what position you served in.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:36 pm to SniperActual6
Hey look, you don't have to convince me. I was just asking the question.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:40 pm to GrammarKnotsi
My Dad will tell you he was a puss. But he can say it. I would not.
He was a spoke. He got drafted in 1968. He shite his pants. Went to the Army. Then "picked" for medical training. shite himself again at the thought of being a medic. But finally got "picked" to serve in a hospital in Japan. All he did was get a beer gut and learn to drink Japanese beer and smoke.
He had no control over where he went. Nether do or did a vast majority. Just did what he was told and got out.
He was a spoke. He got drafted in 1968. He shite his pants. Went to the Army. Then "picked" for medical training. shite himself again at the thought of being a medic. But finally got "picked" to serve in a hospital in Japan. All he did was get a beer gut and learn to drink Japanese beer and smoke.
He had no control over where he went. Nether do or did a vast majority. Just did what he was told and got out.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:41 pm to SniperActual6
quote:
Everyone is part of the fight regardless of what position you served in.
Exactly. My job was to crew a tank. But I would not have been able to do that without the guys in maintenance keeping my tank running, or the guys in commo keeping our radios functioning. It also takes guys in supply keeping us equipped in everything from ammo to literally all the equipment we had. There's also the cooks keeping us fed and medics keeping us in running order. And that's just the combat support elements at the battalion level. Behind them were people at brigade, division, and on and on who all did their part to make sure when the time came we could shoot, move, & communicate.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:41 pm to Kracka
quote:
If you served, you served, and you earned your veteran status.
Everyone matters. The military could not function as a whole without all the necessary moving parts.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:42 pm to Darth_Vader
Darth, there's an article on NBC News talking about active duty soldiers being in outlaw biker gangs. Thought you might want to check it out.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:45 pm to SniperActual6
for every one soldier on the frontlines, there are 10 behind him making sure:
1. He was trained
2. He was equipped
3: He was fed
4: He was housed
5: He was paid
6: He was given a mission
7: He was covered defensively
8: He had the best intelligence available
9: He was in good medical condition
10: He was transported to his duty station
without those people, the soldier fails... Honor all who have worn a uniform
1. He was trained
2. He was equipped
3: He was fed
4: He was housed
5: He was paid
6: He was given a mission
7: He was covered defensively
8: He had the best intelligence available
9: He was in good medical condition
10: He was transported to his duty station
without those people, the soldier fails... Honor all who have worn a uniform
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:45 pm to SabiDojo
quote:
Darth, there's an article on NBC News talking about active duty soldiers being in outlaw biker gangs. Thought you might want to check it out.
Reading it now. Let's not hijack this thread but so far the story is pure horseshite.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:45 pm to Kracka
A. Memorial day is to remember those who have fallen - primarily in battle, but also those who served and are no longer with us.
2. Nobody knows when they join up how it is all going to work out. I never expected to be in Kosovo or Iraq, or fighting a giant hurricane in New Orleans, for that matter. Likewise, if you end up at a fuel depot, or in a maintenance unit - one never knows when you're in that unit and in a convoy that gets hit between bases.
But, what folks in uniform DO understand is that what they do is inherently dangerous - firing weapons, operating heavy equipment, aircraft/airfield operations, explosives, etc.
And, their bodies take a pounding from physical training, ruck marches, exposure to chemicals, 50 innoculations at 1 time, etc.
Finally, if you're ordered to do something dangerous in your job - you can resort to OSHA, DOL, EPA, etc., and, at the end of the day, quit and go home before actual exposure takes place (at least if you know about it). Military folks have chaplains, sergeants major, the IG, etc., but at the end of the day, if they refuse an order, they face sanctions up to and including death.
So - let us back off the front-line versus REMF, strac versus pogue debate and honor the service. There are wonderful Americans who haven't served a day in their life. There are worthless sacks of dung who did 30 years in the navy, and everything in between.
Service is service - if one wants to elevate "combat" service, whatever that means in 2015 - by all means, do so. But please recall that these "non-combat" servicemen and servicewomen raised their hand, gave of themselves, time away from family and voluntarily did a bunch of unpleasant things that the vast majority of our population doesn't have the stomach for.
2. Nobody knows when they join up how it is all going to work out. I never expected to be in Kosovo or Iraq, or fighting a giant hurricane in New Orleans, for that matter. Likewise, if you end up at a fuel depot, or in a maintenance unit - one never knows when you're in that unit and in a convoy that gets hit between bases.
But, what folks in uniform DO understand is that what they do is inherently dangerous - firing weapons, operating heavy equipment, aircraft/airfield operations, explosives, etc.
And, their bodies take a pounding from physical training, ruck marches, exposure to chemicals, 50 innoculations at 1 time, etc.
Finally, if you're ordered to do something dangerous in your job - you can resort to OSHA, DOL, EPA, etc., and, at the end of the day, quit and go home before actual exposure takes place (at least if you know about it). Military folks have chaplains, sergeants major, the IG, etc., but at the end of the day, if they refuse an order, they face sanctions up to and including death.
So - let us back off the front-line versus REMF, strac versus pogue debate and honor the service. There are wonderful Americans who haven't served a day in their life. There are worthless sacks of dung who did 30 years in the navy, and everything in between.
Service is service - if one wants to elevate "combat" service, whatever that means in 2015 - by all means, do so. But please recall that these "non-combat" servicemen and servicewomen raised their hand, gave of themselves, time away from family and voluntarily did a bunch of unpleasant things that the vast majority of our population doesn't have the stomach for.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:46 pm to Darth_Vader
Yeah, I was just relaying it to you.
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