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re: Math weirdness: Infinite gold is not enough

Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:58 pm to
Posted by G2160
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:58 pm to
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The way to go about a fair answer to the question is to calculate the exact number of gold atoms in a 10 lbs bar. Divide that number by 3 and the divide it amongst the kids. One persons may have one more atoms, one personal have one less but no scale that a person who buys gold will enable to measure that small of a difference.





No, we will just split up the last atom into .3 (ever repeating) pieces if you ask the people above...which makes it not gold anymore, even if this were possible.

You can no more physically divide a single (1.0) unit of anything into exactly 3 equal pieces accurate to an infinitely small scale of the same unit of measurement than you can divide a dollar (or 100 cents) equally between 3 people.

Sure, it may work if you convert pounds to grams, yards to feet, or dollars to pesos, or invent some other form of measurement, but that’s not the point of the exercise.

In reality, we can divide these things into close-enough-to equal pieces that the repeating remainder does not matter.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:59 pm to
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You can no more physically divide a single (1.0) unit of anything into exactly 3 equal pieces accurate to an infinitely small scale of the same unit of measurement than you can divide a dollar (or 100 cents) equally between 3 people.


It's so adorable you think you're making a point here.
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Sure, it may work if you convert pounds to grams, yards to feet, or dollars to pesos, or invent some other form of measurement, but that’s not the point of the exercise.


Yea, frick using actual logic. Let me cling to this nonsense example instead so I seem smart.
Posted by Displaced
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:02 pm to
My God... What size helmet do you wear?
Posted by bigfatpimp
st. gabriel
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:02 pm to
The waltz is a perfect division of time by 3.

Prove me wrong.
Posted by G2160
houston
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:03 pm to
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Yea, frick using actual logic. Let me cling to this nonsense example instead so I seem smart.


Did you think the OP was representing actual people trying to divide up a piece of gold and came to the OT for an answer?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:05 pm to
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Did you think the OP was representing actual people trying to divide up a piece of gold and came to the OT for an answer?


I think he was trying to sound smart and ended up looking like dumbass.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:07 pm to
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Yes it is.

No, you're wrong here

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Because 1/3 doesn’t actually equal .3 repeating
Yes, yes it does actually

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.3 is not an accurate expression of 1/3.
Correct, because .3 is 30%, which does not equal 1/3...but all of that is not relevant to this discussion.
Posted by G2160
houston
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:08 pm to
Was 3.50lbs each suggested?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:08 pm to
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Was 3.50lbs each suggested?


Ye, I'd probably start to try to deflect using an OT joke too.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112441 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:10 pm to
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Please tell me in yards of decimal format exactly how long each 1/3 yard piece would be?

If you were to measure and cut down to an infinitely small scale, how long would each third of the yard stick be? A true one third will always have a 3 in the next smaller decimal place.
But you can do it in feet?

Is that your argument?
Posted by A Menace to Sobriety
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:14 pm to
Thank God I wasn't dumb enough to waste my time reading this thread.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112441 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:17 pm to
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You can no more physically divide a single (1.0) unit of anything into exactly 3 equal pieces accurate to an infinitely small scale of the same unit of measurement than you can divide a dollar (or 100 cents) equally between 3 people.
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Sure, it may work if you convert pounds to grams, yards to feet, or dollars to pesos, or invent some other form of measurement,
So you said you can't, then said you can....ok.

Can you explain how I can't divide something that is 1 yard perfect but I can divide something that is 36 inches perfectly into 3?
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:18 pm to
This thread succeeded in dropping my faith in humanity just the tiniest bit

The confused people ITT need to go read a book about basic fractions and decimal representations of those fractions.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:21 pm to
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You can no more physically divide a single (1.0) unit of anything into exactly 3 equal pieces accurate to an infinitely small scale of the same unit of measurement than you can divide a dollar (or 100 cents) equally between 3 people.
You seem to be getting dumber!

Just because we don't have a unit of currency that equals 1/3 of a dollar doesn't mean we can't divide a dollar in 3 equal parts. Have you never seen a sign at the grocery store "3 for $1"? How much does each item cost you? 1/3 of a fricking dollar. And we have multiple ways to represent this exact amount. Why the fixation on just one representation that happens to involve a repeating decimal?

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Sure, it may work if you convert pounds to grams, yards to feet, or dollars to pesos, or invent some other form of measurement, but that’s not the point of the exercise.
Then what is the point of this "exercise". Seems like an exercise in futility, to me.

Posted by G2160
houston
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:26 pm to
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Can you explain how I can't divide something that is 1 yard perfect but I can divide something that is 36 inches perfectly into 3?



You changed the units, which I already said would make it possible.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:28 pm to
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You changed the units, which I already said would make it possible.



I mean, you can stop trolling now. I think everyone has bit.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29002 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:28 pm to
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You changed the units, which I already said would make it possible.

It's possible regardless of the units! You just don't like or understand the numerical representation when expressed in certain units.

Write 0.3 then draw a horizontal line over the top of the 3. Done. That is the decimal representation of exactly 1/3.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112441 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:32 pm to
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You changed the units, which I already said would make it possible.
So if I separate something by inches into 3 separate 12 inch portions, are you then stating those 3 separate 12 inch portions do not have the same length in yards?
Posted by G2160
houston
Member since May 2013
1881 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:35 pm to
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Just because we don't have a unit of currency that equals 1/3 of a dollar doesn't mean we can't divide a dollar in 3 equal parts. Have you never seen a sign at the grocery store "3 for $1"? How much does each item cost you? 1/3 of a fricking dollar. And we have multiple ways to represent this exact amount.


You didn’t divide a dollar into 3 equal parts. You assigned a new unit where 1 item equals 1/3 of a dollar. What would your change be if you just purchased 1 item with a dollar? 66 cents? That’s not 2/3 of a dollar.

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Why the fixation on just one representation that happens to involve a repeating decimal?
.

The OP’s story is based on repeating decimals.
Posted by Displaced
Member since Dec 2011
32920 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:38 pm to
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The OP’s story is based on repeating decimals.

You're fixated on base 10 to try and prove a point that doesn't even hold water. You're confused.

Stop being a moron.
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