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re: Maternity leave in the USA...
Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:56 am to PeteRose
Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:56 am to PeteRose
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Come on. Now the employer should act out of fear? Getting paid and maybe future promotions should be sufficient motivation for doing a fine job. If you're the kind who's willing to steal at work to justify your stance, you're not just a bad employee...you're a shitty person in general.
While bad policies don't create immoral employees, they definitely create justification for the immoral actions in the heads of a select few.
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Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:57 am to Shexter
quote:It does say unpaid, but if you have the time in your leave bank, you can use it and receive 100% of your pay.
Family leave refers to the time you spend caring for your baby after she arrives. The Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA) of 1993 grants all parents (including dads and adoptive parents) the same unpaid 12 weeks. You can begin the 12 weeks before you give birth, but then you'll have less time afterward.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:57 am to PeteRose
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why would a company pay a person for no work performed? Want to have 12 weeks off? Sure. You shouldn't expect to get paid for a personal choice.
This is my company's prerogative. For better or worse, I agree with it, personally.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:57 am to cuyahoga tiger
My wife got over a year while getting a % of her pay 
Got to love that german system
Got to love that german system
This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 8:58 am
Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:59 am to CaptainJ47
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Have you not seen the makeup of this country and the voters? Everyone wants to be paid for not doing any work. That is why democrats will continue to be elected.
You're missing the point. Some dog shite employee is not going to get 12 weeks full pay. Progressive doesn't offer this to everyone, I can assure you that much. The entire point is that she likely plays an important role to the company, and therefore received great benefits.
It's really not that complicated.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:59 am to Black n Gold
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Not only does the current structure make it very difficult on women and their husbands,
Then don't have a child?
I don't think businesses should be forced to provide leave, 401k or health insurance.
If they want to do so as a benefit to their employees and/or to attract top talent away from competitors, then great.
Not sure why people think they are entitled to 3-12 months off with full pay for something they chose to do.
Also, if you're going to force companies to pay leave, they should have something set in place that holds the parent accountable if they decide to leave that job immediately after leave is over.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:01 am to Pectus
Reading the OP, this is kid #6. So she gets 12 weeks for each kid times 6. That's 72 months off maternity leave plus a presumed two weeks a year Vacation. Over a twenty year career that is 40 weeks vacation plus holidays plus 72 weeks maternity. Even my LA public school math says she is getting over 10% of her career as PTO before retiring. Wow.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:03 am to dcrews
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I don't think businesses should be forced to provide leave, 401k or health insurance. If they want to do so as a benefit to their employees and/or to attract top talent away from competitors, then great.
I don't think anyone here is advocating for a system in which employees are forced to offer 100% paid maternity leave. Some of the posters on this board are in supervisory roles and decision making positions. They are reinforcing your second comment about getting a competitive advantage.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:04 am to dcrews
Who said any of this was mandatory? 
I promise, the government isn't making Progressive provide 12 weeks paid leave.
this already exists
good lord, there is some ignorance ITT
I promise, the government isn't making Progressive provide 12 weeks paid leave.
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Also, if you're going to force companies to pay leave, they should have something set in place that holds the parent accountable if they decide to leave that job immediately after leave is over.
this already exists
good lord, there is some ignorance ITT
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:04 am to cuyahoga tiger
Strictly up to the employer. Does not have to pay but must grant time off. If someone has to be hired to take that persons place then the employer is paying double for that position for the 12 weeks? The employer is not the one that got screwed...
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:04 am to jbgleason
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Even my LA public school math says she is getting over 10% of her career as PTO before retiring. Wow.
And she is more than likely to spend that entire career at the same company.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:05 am to jbgleason
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Reading the OP, this is kid #6.
Although he worded it weird, I believe he meant this is grandkid #6, not her sixth child.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:06 am to jbgleason
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Reading the OP, this is kid #6.
:sigh:
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:06 am to cas4t
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good lord, there is some ignorance ITT
Just a bunch of young dicks with hard-ons thinking they are going to work 70 hours a week over their entire career and light the world on fire.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:06 am to Black n Gold
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They are reinforcing your second comment about getting a competitive advantage.
For sure. Admittedly, I am not a business owner. However, I would imagine if I was and had the financial means, I'd be pretty generous with my offerings to ensure I was receiving top talent in whatever business market I was in.
I just tilt my head sideways a lot when I talk to people about this subject and they are adamant that paid maternity leave should be 12 months, fully paid and mandatory.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:06 am to cuyahoga tiger
Both are generous.
12 is common, but a lot of smaller companies do not do that.
12 is common, but a lot of smaller companies do not do that.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:07 am to PeteRose
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Stats show 1/3 of new mothers never go back to work.
I believe more mothers would go back to work if they had longer maternity leaves available. 12 weeks after having a baby there are still hormones and you are still healing. There is a very large number of women who plan to go back to work but when faced with actually leaving their baby in the care of someone else, decide to stay home because a 12 week old is still very much like a newborn. The maternal instinct to want to be the one to take care of them is incredibly strong so they quit and stay home.
Then the baby turns a year old, which is light years ahead of a little 12 week old, and the mom is ready to go back to work. So she has to start the process of looking for a job and start from scratch if she wasn't able to finagle something with her former employer.
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So Progressive has to spend more money and time hiring someone new(HR, recruiting fees, training). Guess where progressive is getting that money? Jacking up premiums from excising customers, whom some are mothers. So progressive is not the "hero" of this, it's the customers. It's all political.
Sure more money may be paid out but there is a significant cost savings to keeping employees. Retaining a current, good employee can be much, much cheaper option even taking into account the expense of hiring someone temporarily. I've worked for smaller companies in my career and we didn't hire anyone, we just redistributed the work. I've taken on my share of additional duties without additional pay for coworkers having babies. Not a big deal.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:08 am to jbgleason
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Over a twenty year career
What the hell is this?
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:09 am to slackster
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Over a twenty year career
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What the hell is this?
Must be a teacher.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:09 am to N2cars
Thanks!
She looks too much like me not to be. I just hope she's MrsWafers
She looks too much like me not to be. I just hope she's MrsWafers
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