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re: Massive cargo ship narrowly avoided 2 Mississippi River crashes in Louisiana in 2 days
Posted on 4/18/24 at 7:58 am to goofball
Posted on 4/18/24 at 7:58 am to goofball
quote:I directed this exact question to an engineer who was involved with the Huey P Long widening project. He said the HPL bridge piers were originally greatly over-engineered because they didn’t have a clear understanding of the true abilities of steel and concrete and the accompanying design.
but does the OT know if the bridges in Louisiana are designed to take a hit from these larger ocean freighters?
His opinion was that the GNO or HPL Bridges piers could withstand any empty ship collision with them and probably a strike by any up-bound vessel.
What would be trouble (in his opinion) is a strike from a loaded large ship down-bound, most especially in high river. Too much kinetic energy.
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Posted on 4/18/24 at 8:08 am to goofball
Bridges get hit all the time by barges ALL THE TIME nothing new
Posted on 4/18/24 at 8:18 am to soccerfüt
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What would be trouble (in his opinion) is a strike from a loaded large ship down-bound, most especially in high river. Too much kinetic energy.
Wouldn’t that be the most likely runaway ship scenario?
Posted on 4/18/24 at 8:18 am to CocomoLSU
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terrorism tactic
A very good one.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 8:22 am to VetteGuy
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Some of these ships are poorly maintained, and/or very old.
I climbed on a few of them to pull jet fuel samples for testing a long time ago. Most of them I saw looked fairly decent, but it was the foreign crews that looked sketchy… not in a terrible way, rather in a dumb way.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 8:28 am to goofball
quote:most have impact barriers but those get destroyed in glancing hits. it they were to take a direct hit of one of these full tankers i bet something similar to the Baltimore incident would happen.
Kind of a dumb question, but does the OT know if the bridges in Louisiana are designed to take a hit from these larger ocean freighters?
quote:do you? did you specifically say "barge" for a reason. Barge impact loads are completely different than tanker loads.
I know the big bridges in Louisiana like the CCC, Huey P Long, and the I-10 bridge are designed to handle barge hits pretty regularly.
quote:so you are just grabbing at straws. Both recent impacts werent not "Major issues". They were and we lucked out we had great engineers to figure out a fix and it worked.
And I know we've seen the superstructures or cranes on board smack the bottom of some of the bridge decks, but they get repaired without any major issue.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 8:32 am to Snipe
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How in the hell is an E-4 considered a spokesman for the Coast Guard?
The same way a Trooper first class are spokesman for LSP. They are bottom of the totem pole, someone smarter than them writes something, and they go look good and read it.
Not that hard to comprehend.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 8:47 am to ell_13
quote:remember the summer with all those shark attacks in florida and up the east coast. There were less shark attacks that year than the previous 10. There was just nothing to report about so the media latched on to that.
Yes. Journalism is about what gets clicks. Once Baltimore happened, they started asking around about other similar instances because now a story like that will get eyes and ad revenue. This isn’t some conspiracy; it’s just the media being the media.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 9:02 am to MoarKilometers
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Probably capitalism cutting maintenance corners to squeeze out another $
Meanwhile, let's look at all the bridges communism has built. I'll start.............
Posted on 4/18/24 at 9:04 am to goofball
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near-miss
Stupidest phrase ever. If you nearly miss something that means you hit it. It should be a near-hit.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 9:09 am to soccerfüt
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What would be trouble (in his opinion) is a strike from a loaded large ship down-bound, most especially in high river. Too much kinetic energy.
Any one remember this incident?
Posted on 4/18/24 at 9:17 am to Honest Tune
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The CTs are just ahead of the game.
About damned time someone saw this.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 9:22 am to goofball
Thx ship, I was put on vessel collision studies bc of this stuff
Posted on 4/18/24 at 9:25 am to CarRamrod
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remember the summer with all those shark attacks in florida and up the east coast. There were less shark attacks that year than the previous 10. There was just nothing to report about so the media latched on to that.
2001 was the fabricated “summer of the shark” until 9/11 made them give it up
Posted on 4/18/24 at 9:25 am to Tempratt
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About damned time someone saw this.
All the transportation mishaps/tragedies and food production fires seem very calculated to me. “They’re” trying to break America without dropping bombs… yet.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 9:27 am to Snipe
Public Affairs so yeah that's how
Posted on 4/18/24 at 9:29 am to MoarKilometers
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Probably capitalism cutting maintenance corners to squeeze out another $
Yep. Shipping company was likely bought by a private equity firm looking for another turn on profits. I am all for earning a profit but not at the expense of safety or compromising service.
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 10:14 am
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:49 am to Tigers0891
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someone smarter than them writes something, and they go look good and read it. Not that hard to comprehend.
LOL
Back in the old military I was in a year 2 or 3 enlisted person didn't have anything to say that anyone cared to hear. Real leadership wasn't scared to get in front of the world and say what needed to be said.
But that was a long time ago when it meant something to be in the military and leaders were worth following.
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 10:59 am
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:52 am to soccerfüt
quote:
I directed this exact question to an engineer who was involved with the Huey P Long widening project. He said the HPL bridge piers were originally greatly over-engineered because they didn’t have a clear understanding of the true abilities of steel and concrete and the accompanying design.
His opinion was that the GNO or HPL Bridges piers could withstand any empty ship collision with them and probably a strike by any up-bound vessel.
What would be trouble (in his opinion) is a strike from a loaded large ship down-bound, most especially in high river. Too much kinetic energy.
Sounds like a new requirement for this bridge they are trying to build in Plaquemine. Either move the piers where they won't get hit, or design them to withstand a big impact.
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 10:53 am
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:53 am to Tarps99
quote:
Any one remember this incident?
Yeah. Wasn't it filled with grain? Lucky there wasn't an explosion or that building in the background wouldn't be there.
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