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Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:13 pm to
Posted by idlewatcher
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:13 pm to
quote:

A rifle round traveling at supersonic velocity hitting a metal barrier strong enough to prevent penetration would have splattered upon impact


No one is disputing that DX. We are disputing the "news" report of someone finding an actual casing (not bullet) at the tank scene.

For the basement dwellers who don't know the difference between a casing and a "bullet"

Posted by TigerFred
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Member since Aug 2003
27868 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:15 pm to
You are too fricking stupid to even have dialogue with.

You have gone on and on about casings being in the tanks.

Just shut the frick up already.



Posted by SwampBandit
Livonia, La
Member since Jun 2016
3821 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:17 pm to
quote:

if it was outside of the tank it was casings


It wasn't


Oh man.....I never said that was the case, i was answering somebody elses question about it saying that if it was inside it had to be bullets and outside it would be casings and that the report about casings around the tank was not from a legitimate source that there was two holes found in the tank per the investigation.
Posted by Happygilmore
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Member since Mar 2009
1835 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:17 pm to
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But just so I'm clear there is speculation that there are actual casings within the tanks?


From what i have seen on a couple comments on here some news channel revealed this but i dont know how accurate that is... The only thing i have read that has been announced is that there were two bullets in the tank or something along those lines


someone in this thread didnt know correct terminology about bullets and casings and shells and used shells in place of bullets, thats the only thing that caused this to be part of the discussion
Posted by SwampBandit
Livonia, La
Member since Jun 2016
3821 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:18 pm to
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ou have gone on and on about casings being in the tanks.


i never said a damn thing about a casing in the tank i said bullet...are you fricking illiterate
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
33255 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:18 pm to
I feel like we're going in circles. Ok we have established there are no credible reports of "casings" or "shells" inside or directly adjacent to the tank(s)

Let's move on
Posted by arbe25
Member since Sep 2017
395 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:20 pm to
I'm still confused about what went down in the hallway.

From the Today Show:
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“I was about a third of the way down the hallway and I started to hear shots go off,” he told TODAY in an exclusive interview Wednesday.
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Schuck then saw hotel security guard, Jesus Campos, stick out his head from a doorway.
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“He yelled at me to take cover, and as soon as I started to go to a door to my left, the rounds started coming down the hallway," Shuck said. "I could feel them pass right behind my head. Something hit me in the back and I took cover."
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“I tried to think, how I could get to Jesus because I could that see he was shot in the leg, and I just told myself, wait for him, he’s going to have to stop shooting some time. It was kind of relentless.”


But Newsweek reports it like this:
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On Tuesday, Las Vegas Metro Police Undersheriff Kevin McMahill explained more about Campos's actions the night of the shooting, helping fill in some of what happened ahead of the attack.
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Campos heard a drilling sound and thought it was odd. A maintenance worker came up to the 32nd floor. As the pair started talking, Paddock began firing through the door of his room, first with a single-fire gun and then with a rapid-fire rifle.


So one version, paddock had already been firing at Campos and struck him. And then he warns Shuck when he arrives. The other version, they are both together talking when paddock started shooting. Somebody is full of shite.
Posted by LCA131
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

you fricking illiterate


Swamp, not sure this TigerFred guy is, but you shouldn't have to put up with this crap from him. RA his arse. He seems grumpy. He's probably overweight.

On topic, So far, it all seems like misdirection to me. These guys are on it and purposely being badge and stuff.
Posted by SwampBandit
Livonia, La
Member since Jun 2016
3821 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:26 pm to
Here is to you TigerFred take your illiterate self and try to read these post and fricken tell me where the hell I said anything about a casing in a tank.

quote:

Only thing i have seen is where they found two bullets in the tank shell, but the stuff about the news saying there where shells found by the tanks i have no clue about


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I am not going to get back on the two shooter subject but if there was bullet casing by the tank can someone explain how they got there and at what point this tank could have been shot at


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It is either meant that there was bullets lodged into the tank shell (outer tank shell not inner tank shell since it is double walled) or they actually found casings near the tank?


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If it was inside of the tank it has to be bullets/lead if it was outside of the tank it was casings. What is so hard to understand, for a casing to get in there that means the gun was shot inside of the tank or somebody drilled a hole in it and dropped a casing in it... The bullet which is fired from the cartridge you know the lead bullet could be found inside of the tank from being shot into it


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I think yall only read part of what i type because yall are used to it being stupid, i have said that the only actual report i have seen is that there were two bullets either lodged in the tank or two holes in the tank and that the other thing brought up on here said shell were found near the tank which i call a casing because a shell comes out of a shotgun not a rifle and that that would mean somebody had to shoot close by if this so statement is true
Posted by SwampBandit
Livonia, La
Member since Jun 2016
3821 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

Let's move on


I agree but i had to post the last one for TigerFred because he needs to see his statement about me going on and on about casings inside the tank is pure horse shite

quote:

On topic, So far, it all seems like misdirection to me

Yep
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 1:29 pm
Posted by TigerFred
Feeding hamsters
Member since Aug 2003
27868 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:29 pm to
Apologies on the casings part it wasn't you. However You are so fricked up I thought it was you.

Still stand by what I said posted earlier. Shut the frick up.



Posted by SwampBandit
Livonia, La
Member since Jun 2016
3821 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

Still stand by what I said posted earlier. Shut the frick up



What i said this morning was stupid, pretty much everything i just posted to prove you wrong is what i have talked about since then, please tell me what is wrong with any of those comments that were me answering things that other posters posted....Look i understand i posted some dumb shite on here but when I do sit back and answer questions and have general post about what everyone else is talking about at the time dont be a baby about it...I have apologized and done exactly what i said in not bringing up dumb stuff and talking about exactly what is being talked about.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 1:34 pm
Posted by When in Rome
Telegraph Road
Member since Jan 2011
36223 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:31 pm to
quote:

Here is to you TigerFred take your illiterate self and try to read these post


Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
178845 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:34 pm to


I will say this: if there were 2nd shooters involved that were of closer nature, common sense would say that they would have been the ones in better position to shoot the fuel tanks had they had any sort of vertical position to get a clear shot. I mean, did Paddock really think a near 700 yard shot would penetrate and ignite the tanks?
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
33255 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

I will say this: if there were 2nd shooters involved that were of closer nature, common sense would say that they would have been the ones in better position to shoot the fuel tanks had they had any sort of vertical position to get a clear shot. I mean, did Paddock really think a near 700 yard shot would penetrate and ignite the tanks?


They found the same incendiary rounds in Paddock's room as what was found in the tank(s)
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
178845 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:37 pm to
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They found the same incendiary rounds in Paddock's room as what was found in the tank(s)



You aren't getting my point. My point is IMO takes away from the 2nd shooter theory bc common sense would have thought they would have given the fuel tank shooting job to a closer shooter, not Paddock... unless they were just dumb and didn't think they would have penetration issues.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
109184 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:37 pm to
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Swamp, not sure this TigerFred guy is, but you shouldn't have to put up with this crap from him. RA his arse. He seems grumpy. He's probably overweight.


:it'satrap:
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
33255 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

You aren't getting my point. My point is IMO takes away from the 2nd shooter theory bc common sense would have thought they would have given the fuel tank shooting job to a closer shooter, not Paddock... unless they were just dumb and didn't think they would have penetration issues.



Ahh ok then yes I agree
Posted by SwampBandit
Livonia, La
Member since Jun 2016
3821 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:41 pm to
quote:

it'satrap:


I dont care what it is, im not RA'ing anybody because im not that person, really dont care who TigerFred is but I know his statement was wrong, and i know he is right about my idiot post in the past but we can drop that by now
Posted by SwampBandit
Livonia, La
Member since Jun 2016
3821 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:45 pm to
quote:

You aren't getting my point. My point is IMO takes away from the 2nd shooter theory bc common sense would have thought they would have given the fuel tank shooting job to a closer shooter, not Paddock... unless they were just dumb and didn't think they would have penetration issues.


This is right on.

It would have had to take an incendiary round to ignite it and at a close distance it would have worked, at Paddocks distance the bullet could not penetrate both tank walls and the bullet would have burnt out by 600+ yards i would think before it hit the tank to ignite it, im not sure what the distance for the incendiary round to ignite and burn out is but i cant imagine its 600 yards
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