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re: Mass shooting on Vegas Strip discussion
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:55 pm to idlewatcher
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:55 pm to idlewatcher
I think the "shells or casings in the tank(s)" meme could be off. I remember early on, there were news reports there were 2 holes in the tanks which means he did get a couple of rounds through the outer shell. I think the shells or casings terminology is skewing this. Bullets were found in the tank(s).
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:56 pm to jamboybarry
Also the tanks are inside the AO of McCarron so someone would have had to be inside the fence line (security at the airport would have been alerted) to have "shells or casings" nearby
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:57 pm to OceanMan
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This part is so weird. Shells in the tanks? Casings? Wtf was actually in there and how did someone even notice?
It is either meant that there was bullets lodged into the tank shell (outer tank shell not inner tank shell since it is double walled) or they actually found casings near the tank? It is very unclear to me
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:57 pm to idlewatcher
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In being the operative word.
Right, this would mean that someone was actually firing within the tank? Or at least near it? That's airport property I find it really strange that there is so little info around this
But just so I'm clear there is speculation that there are actual casings within the tanks?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:59 pm to jamboybarry
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Also the tanks are inside the AO of McCarron so someone would have had to be inside the fence line (security at the airport would have been alerted) to have "shells or casings" nearby
If you look on Googles street view you can literally walk right up to the fence it is like 5 yards away from the tank so if the casings were found right outside of the fence they didnt have to enter the fence to get close by
That is one hell of a shot
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:00 pm to OceanMan
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But just so I'm clear there is speculation that there are actual casings within the tanks?
From what i have seen on a couple comments on here some news channel revealed this but i dont know how accurate that is... The only thing i have read that has been announced is that there were two bullets in the tank or something along those lines
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:04 pm to SwampBandit
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only thing i have read that has been announced is that there were two bullets in the tank or something along those lines
Just thankful that they didn't hit Aldean's tat that you analyzed for us.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:05 pm to SwampBandit
This is one of your problems. You have no idea of what you are trying to discuss.
Bullets=/=casings
Bullets=/=casings
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:06 pm to LCA131
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Just thankful that they didn't hit Aldean's tat that you analyzed for us.
I like how yall get pissy over my post then we get back to serious non bs talk and it keeps getting brought up, i am being good and not bringing this thread down anymore..
But good one
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:06 pm to SwampBandit
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sorry idlewatcher you posted your comment while i was typing, didnt mean to have an echo of what you posted
Don't sweat it, we're all trying to find the answers without any help from the actual investigators
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I am not going to get back on the two shooter subject but if there was bullet casing by the tank can someone explain how they got there
That's where I am as well. I think it was misreported personally.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:08 pm to SwampBandit
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if the casings were found right outside of the fence they didnt have to enter the fence to get close by
Yeah but they weren't (or that isn't verified). All that's been reported is holes in the tank(s) with bullets inside.
Nothing about shells or casings which as I'm sure you know are different from the actual projectile (bullet).
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:08 pm to jamboybarry
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I think the shells or casings terminology is skewing this
Agreed. Some amateur reporter probably meant to say bullet and instead said casing so of course the innerwebz runs with it.
Would be highly surprised if they found actual bullet casings near the tank.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:09 pm to TigerFred
If it was inside of the tank it has to be bullets/lead if it was outside of the tank it was casings. What is so hard to understand, for a casing to get in there that means the gun was shot inside of the tank or somebody drilled a hole in it and dropped a casing in it... The bullet which is fired from the cartridge you know the lead bullet could be found inside of the tank from being shot into it
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:09 pm to idlewatcher
A shell casing found by the tank would mean a shooter was at the tank. Maybe they mean the bullet and are uneducated? But still...
A rifle round traveling at supersonic velocity hitting a metal barrier strong enough to prevent penetration would have splattered upon impact. If it passed through one layer and stopped on the second the bullet would have shed much of it's mass passing through the first layer and after getting stopped on the second you would be left with little deformed hunks of lead that wouldn't be recognizable as a bullet.
A rifle round traveling at supersonic velocity hitting a metal barrier strong enough to prevent penetration would have splattered upon impact. If it passed through one layer and stopped on the second the bullet would have shed much of it's mass passing through the first layer and after getting stopped on the second you would be left with little deformed hunks of lead that wouldn't be recognizable as a bullet.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:10 pm to SwampBandit
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If it was inside of the tank it has to be bullets/lead
It was
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if it was outside of the tank it was casings
It wasn't
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:11 pm to idlewatcher
Why havent they released any video of him going into the hotel or casino? There are literally cameras everywhere. Not one video of him bringing the weapons inside the hotel. Why not? I know damn well he didnt go through the back door. None of this adds up.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:11 pm to jamboybarry
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Nothing about shells or casings which as I'm sure you know are different from the actual projectile (bullet).
I think yall only read part of what i type because yall are used to it being stupid, i have said that the only actual report i have seen is that there were two bullets either lodged in the tank or two holes in the tank and that the other thing brought up on here said shell were found near the tank which i call a casing because a shell comes out of a shotgun not a rifle and that that would mean somebody had to shoot close by if this so statement is true
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:12 pm to DeoreDX
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Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock fired special "incendiary" bullets at a 43,000-barrel fuel tank in what investigators believe was an attempt to cause an explosion, two law enforcement sources told CNN. Those types of rounds, meant to ignite what they hit, were found inside Paddock's room at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino and near the fuel tank a short distance away on the grounds of McCarran International Airport, the sources said. Authorities have previously disclosed that Paddock fired at the tank and struck it with two rifle rounds, when he opened fire on the crowd below from his 32nd floor hotel room on October 1. They had not disclosed that he used incendiary rounds to fire at the tank, which contains jet fuel.
Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock fired 'incendiary' rounds at fuel tank
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:12 pm to idlewatcher
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That's where I am as well. I think it was misreported personally.
Agreed
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:12 pm to SwampBandit
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and that the other thing brought up on here said shell were found near the tank which i call a casing because a shell comes out of a shotgun not a rifle and that that would mean somebody had to shoot close by if this so statement is true
And this is just heresay thrown around on here and not being reported so it's not really worthy of discussion.
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