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Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:10 pm to
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:10 pm to
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Does Campos have social media accounts?


nope, hes in his 20s too

Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
31586 posts
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:12 pm to
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Such horseshite, I have no clue what to believe about any of what's been reported so far. About the only thing I'm sure about is what they're floating out isn't 100% accurate.


Want another fun quote? Here is the Manadalay PR response to the Sherriff puppet's new timeline:

quote:

“This remains an ongoing investigation with a lot of moving parts. As evidenced by law enforcement briefings over the past week, many facts are still unverified and continue to change as events are under review,” MGM Resorts Spokesperson Debra DeShong said in a statement.
“We cannot be certain about the most recent timeline that has been communicated publicly, and we believe what is currently being expressed may not be accurate.” DeShong said
“it is not appropriate for us to comment further at this time on what remains an open matter for law enforcement.”



All sides are absolutely squirming at how to get out of this. Thank goodness we do have a guy like Tump, who is most likely to expose people.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 9:15 pm
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
33255 posts
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:12 pm to
Even if he did have SM, it's either removed or compromised at this point
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
31586 posts
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:13 pm to
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I doubt he’s an isis soldier or a deep state guy but maybe took a 100 bill from Paddock and let him use the elevator.


Or a 20-something Trump hating illegal alien?
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39221 posts
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:13 pm to
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Makes it interesting to me that George Soros and James Murren (the CEO of MGM who has ties to some suspect Middle East contacts) sold large swaths of MGM stock in the last couple months.

Okay, On that note getting on laptop not mobile.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:14 pm to
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“We cannot be certain about the most recent timeline that has been communicated publicly, and we believe what is currently being expressed may not be accurate.”


translation: we think the FBI is lying

this is
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
8300 posts
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:15 pm to
This whole mess is so cotton picking convoluted it's not even funny. Double talk, side talk, walk backs, timeline changing, leaked information...etc.

This is an absolute mess of an investigation from the public's perspective.
Posted by dawgsjw
Member since Dec 2012
2114 posts
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:18 pm to
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Jesus. That dude's theory is flawed. A shooter on the ground would have been easier to ID than a shooter from the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay. Look at all the other suggested videos. A bunch of crack pipes trying to come up with some bullshite theory in order to get views on a youtube video.
How is it flawed? He was supposedly calculating the difference between the time for the bullet to hit the ground and for it to report.

Plus there were many reports of being multiple shooters, but who knows. I just think the science in something like this doesn't lie. Whether or not the guy in the video was able to accurately detect those variables, is to be seen.
Posted by BOSCEAUX
Where the Down Boys go.
Member since Mar 2008
52385 posts
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:21 pm to
I don’t even know what to believe anymore. The public was totally buying the hero security guard angle because at the time it made sense. The FBI changed the timeline to where it didn’t make sense and now MGM is disputing it. Wtf. Is MGM culpable because Jesus is an illegal and may have let Paddock use the service elevator so they are throwing shade on the new FBI timeline or is the FBI lying for some unknown reason and MGM is calling bullshite on them.
Posted by TxWadingFool
Middle Coast
Member since Sep 2014
5631 posts
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:23 pm to
Another interesting side note is where is the MSM? The fact they are paying little to no attention to the clusterfrick this investigation has been so far is very interesting. You got to believe if there was any shred of evidence that they could use to extract some political blood from Trump they would be running with it. Same could be said for Trump as well.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 9:27 pm
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
31586 posts
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:29 pm to
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Another interesting side note is where is the MSM?


They are not gonna like the story one bit. They are avoiding it.
Posted by Festus
With Skillet
Member since Nov 2009
86127 posts
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:34 pm to
The science has to be accurate. You have to have precise measurements. How are these scientists using the measurement precisely to the recording device when they don’t know it’s exact location? I doubt they are. They’re using an estimate for that. I wouldn’t buy into all of these people claiming science. If you search, you can find scientists that dispute their calculations accuracy.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:42 pm to
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The FBI changed the timeline to where it didn’t make sense and now MGM is disputing it.


so knowing MGM had their entire enterprise to lose, they could have withheld the truth from the FBI?

FBI finds the "real" story and retracts the original "hero" narrative that Campos stopped the shooting.

this does make sense but it certainly makes the FBI seem incompetent

Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39221 posts
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:43 pm to
The if, when and how on Jesus getting shot and calling it in is now a red flag issue despite that it should be pretty simple and straightforward.

Do we think it's only because of MGM trying to avoid or limit liability?

And also your link stated a maintenance worker may have also been in the hall near the room during the shooting. Wtf.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39221 posts
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:48 pm to
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so knowing MGM had their entire enterprise to lose

It's a multi-billion dollar company. Is that really an issue?
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
178845 posts
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:50 pm to
I've been under impression of facts that security guard got shot and did call it in to hotel security and there was a maintaince worker that he was helping protect in some form or fashion.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72157 posts
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:53 pm to
Thank you for the cliffs on the tinfoilness of the thread and the actual updates

I tried to catch up a bit, and it was a hard read
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:55 pm to
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It's a multi-billion dollar company. Is that really an issue?


not sure, but it does appear that they are going to be held liable for these deaths. they will also be held liable for treating the PTSD of the people who survived the shooting.

there are rumors that they received their first lawsuit today (tifwiw)
Posted by RazorBroncs
Possesses the largest
Member since Sep 2013
16178 posts
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:01 pm to
Yeah the YouTube audio science guy was shaky at best to begin with, and then a poster completely blew his theory out of the water a few pages back with the math to back it up. Long story short, YouTube guy was not accounting for the time it took the sound of the bullets impacting/ricocheting to reach the recording device and how far away the recording device was from the above. And this doesn't even cover the fact that 99% of the video is recorded on cellphones or gopros with a single low quality microphone or the precise video location.


And since I missed the ISIS talk a few pages back - he may have been "lone wolf radicalized" but there's NO WAY ISIS was directly involved in the least bit or had any type of influence in his plan. They have no reason to conceal their involvement with getaway plans, staking out/strategizing the MGMs involvement and bothered with rental of a room, or mysterious/up to imagination/interpretation motives and wouldve simply attacked the venue from the ground with their soldiers who aren't afraid of dying and made it clear-as-day terrorism.

Their attacks are simple and out in the open, the less moving pieces involved (like bothering with a hotel room 3-5 days ahead of time, bringing all the weapons up, etc) the less of a chance something goes wrong or the plan gets tipped off. That's why the truck attacks and suicide bombings out of the blue are so effective, it's extremely simple and doesn't take long to follow the trail right back to ME terrorism. This just doesn't fit their mold unless this guy was radicalized independently and they somehow received word it was in the name of aloha snackbars.

ETA- and gun runners don't legally purchase every weapon used in this attack and every other one found at his homes, especially with his legit information attached. No fake names, addresses, anything. Not even one of the near 50 guns found.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 10:12 pm
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
31586 posts
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:06 pm to
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Do we think it's only because of MGM trying to avoid or limit liability?



No, I think the FBI desperately wants to limit their liability as well.
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