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re: Mass shooting on Vegas Strip discussion
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:25 pm to slackster
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:25 pm to slackster
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rocket, think about this. You have to prove no one helped him.
yes. i understand that.
so you get the cell records, you get the email records, you get the mail records, etc
IF he was truly solo dolo, there would not be any leads, right?
there are multiple.
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:26 pm to The Pirate King
quote:Okay, thanks.
They said 2 separate breaches with explosives
After looking back at the room service cart picture, it looks like the camera was fed through the door of the adjoining bedroom, not the door of the corner suite. Scratch that earlier theory of mine.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:26 pm to 13SaintTiger
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How many rooms did SWAT clear before the shooters room? Is that why it took them awhile?
they just said they cleared the rooms in the hall. I need to look at the floor plan of that particular floor again, but I'm pretty sure it was at the end of the hall. So they probably cleared all the rooms
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:26 pm to VaBamaMan
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Maybe there were other(s), they left to secure an escape route but passed the security guard and instead acted like scared guests
What if the guard was the accomplice?
Thats obviously nonsense but I'm just joining the spitballing
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:28 pm to rocket31
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so you get the cell records, you get the email records, you get the mail records, etc
And you have to talk to everyone he called, emailed, etc. It takes time to track those people down. Those people may say Paddock spoke to so and so, then you have to track that lead down, etc.
I'd be skeptical if they came out and said he acted alone at this point. There is no way they could have exhausted all leads by now.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:28 pm to slackster
Let me correct - one explosive breach for outside door, one explosive breach of inside door to locked bedroom
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:30 pm to The Pirate King
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Let me correct - one explosive breach for outside door, one explosive breach of inside door to locked bedroom
Where was paddock found? In the locked bedroom?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:30 pm to 13SaintTiger
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How many rooms did SWAT clear before the shooters room? Is that why it took them awhile?
believe they started two floors below him. Pretty sure they knew the room pretty quick.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:31 pm to 13SaintTiger
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Like I said before, that is a stupid escape plan. #1, it took one security guard to stop him. #2, within 10 minutes there were cops in the hotel locking down the elevators, exits, etc.
Youre telling me you don't think a run of the mill guy could potentially slide through the chaos of a 3500 room hotel having a mass emergency evacuation into a crowd from a 22,000 person concert scattering?
It's not some great plan but as escapes go- it's not the worst and it's exactly what you'd expect from some schlub without training or real skills... until he gets caught up in the moment and then surprised by security.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:32 pm to momentoftruth87
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Lets not forget this is Vegas there are Cameras everywhere. They should be able to track most of his actions around the strip and more specifically wherever his vehicle was parked throughout the week
All of the footage I know of shows him alone.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:32 pm to slackster
another interesting anecdote is the "October 2016 mention" from teh sheriff that kinda set this whole thing off, that i do not see the news focusing on.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:32 pm to 13SaintTiger
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Where was paddock found? In the locked bedroom?
On the floor in the main area. There were two bedrooms, one on either side of the common area (living room, kitchen).
They are unsure what time he killed himself as of yet.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:33 pm to slackster
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There is no way they could have exhausted all leads by now.
Sounds like there isn't many leads man. Like i said they cant come out this soon and just say he had a bad day. They'll find something but i don't think its what people want to hear.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:33 pm to 13SaintTiger
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Where was paddock found? In the locked bedroom?
I don't think they specified. They just said tonight they found him inside down on the ground. I could have missed it though, I got up to take a piss during the conference
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On the floor in the main area. There were two bedrooms, one on either side of the common area (living room, kitchen).
Must have missed that. Sorry for the misinformation
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:34 pm to VaBamaMan
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Maybe there were other(s), they left to secure an escape route but passed the security guard and instead acted like scared guests.
When Paddock saw the security guard, he thought his friends were toast and escape was no longer possible.
Just spitballing a POSSIBILITY based on crazy talk. Not a conspiracy theorist. Just talking it out.
I'm confident Paddock was the only shooter. Could others have been in the room? Sure, but surveillance will likely answer that question. As for Paddock being the only shooter, 12 distinct volleys of rounds but thousands of unspent rounds in the room suggests only one person was shooting. The audio from cell phone videos also supports only one batch of shots going off, and combined with the bump stocks we know he had, that makes sense. Think about that cabbie video - the shooting was relatively faint, presumably from the other side of the building, then it stopped, and resumed much louder when it was on the near side of the building.
Multiple shooters wouldn't have had the breaks we hear on all the videos.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:34 pm to NoSaint
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It's not some great plan but as escapes go- it's not the worst and it's exactly what you'd expect from some schlub without training or real skills... until he gets caught up in the moment and then surprised by security.
That's my point. If you read the initial post you replied to, I said it sounded like he worked alone, because that escape plan isn't that elaborate and could be/was easily foiled.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:35 pm to slackster
It was reported the room was full of smoke from the plethora of rounds was it not?
Maybe he cracked the door open to try and ventilate the room. Then he forgot it was cracked open till the security guard showed up then closed it before SWAT had to breach it.
Maybe he cracked the door open to try and ventilate the room. Then he forgot it was cracked open till the security guard showed up then closed it before SWAT had to breach it.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:35 pm to momentoftruth87
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Sounds like there isn't many leads man. Like i said they cant come out this soon and just say he had a bad day. They'll find something but i don't think its what people want to hear.
When I say leads, I mean chasing down anyone that spoke with him in the days/weeks/months leading up to this, and then chasing down the people those people may suggest, etc. Not necessarily warm leads on an accomplice, but you owe it to the victims and the general public to explore them all.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:35 pm to VaBamaMan
That's not to far fetched
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:36 pm to tgrgrd00
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It was reported the room was full of smoke from the plethora of rounds was it not?
Maybe he cracked the door open to try and ventilate the room. Then he forgot it was cracked open till the security guard showed up then closed it before SWAT had to breach it.
Perfectly plausible as well.
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