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re: Mass shooting at Atlanta area high school
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:32 am to jchamil
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:32 am to jchamil
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Because they’re not even remotely close to being the same thing
How so? Cancer is often a result of lifestyle choices. No matter how it starts it is treated with current standards and to almost universal public approval based on experience, research and medical training. The same is true of gender dysphoria. It can be the result of a choice...lifestyle choices. It can also, apparently, start without any choice. Why anyone not trained or afflicted has an opinion on how to treat either is a mystery but it is strange that in cancer we generally accept the patient and the treatment but not so in gender dysphoria. Again, I do not know why, but my guess is that at least in some cases, especially when the person is adamantly opposed to treatment and is troubled by the thought, that that person may have some touch of the illness themselves. Not every time but its a pretty safe bet that some of them do....
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:34 am to AwgustaDawg
quote:Then why have entities like Britains NHS stopped gender affirming care, like puberty blockers for children?
The fact that a sizeable number of professionals and the literature surrounding gender dysphoria seems to point toward current treatments as effective is all I know.
I thought research pointed to that being the correct management?
quote:Let me get this straight.
Furthermore it is NONE OF MY BUSINESS. I am not, thankfully, afflicted with gender dysphoria and do not pretend to comprehend it. What I am fully capable of comprehending is that GENDER is a social construct while sex is a scientific fact which can not be denied.
Because you aren’t afflicted with gender dysphoria, you have no opinion on the methods used?
Therefore, you support chemically and physically castrating individuals, including children?
Do you use that same stance for everything?
You have to personally suffer from something in order to hold an opinion on it?
That is incredibly stupid, but I am surely going to hold you to that in every future discussion on here.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:36 am to AwgustaDawg
You may want to have some mental fitness tests run yourself. You keep equating cancer to gender dysphoria. One is a physical affliction treated with physical treatments. The other is a mental disorder that is being treated mostly with physical treatments.
It's like telling a schizophrenic person to run laps to get over their illness
It's like telling a schizophrenic person to run laps to get over their illness
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:36 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
quote:He stated that he truly can’t have an opinion because he personally doesn’t have gender dysphoria.
If all of this is true, why does cutting off your dick to make a vagina "affirm" your gender. Aren't you affirming that having a vagina is what makes you a woman? Then what about those people who are pre-op, or never-op, are they not women?
I am looking forward to the day lawsuits start flying and the physicians an entities involved with this are financially destroyed.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:37 am to Scruffy
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Then why have entities like Britains NHS stopped gender affirming care, like puberty blockers for children?
I thought research pointed to that being the correct management?
Because that is what there research has lead to conclude is the right thing to do. And it very well may be, I have no choice but to accept it as such. There is research elsewhere that says just the opposite. Again, not being an expert, I trust it as well. At some point, hopefully, a consensus will be reached and people who are ill will be treated appropriately. Not being afflicted with the disease all I can do is accept the research and wish those who are the best. I certainly am not helping matters by insinuating they are something less than human.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:37 am to AwgustaDawg
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AwgustaDawg
Go start another thread discussing all your silly ideas. Your nonsense doesn’t belong in this one. This was a tragic event.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:37 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
quote:The new appropriate management is to merely tell them that everything they are experiencing is true.
It's like telling a schizophrenic person to run laps to get over their illness
The voices are real. Their delusions are true.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:37 am to tigerskin
you mean euthanized
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:38 am to AwgustaDawg
quote:
Because that is what there research has lead to conclude is the right thing to do. And it very well may be, I have no choice but to accept it as such. There is research elsewhere that says just the opposite. Again, not being an expert, I trust it as well. At some point, hopefully, a consensus will be reached and people who are ill will be treated appropriately. Not being afflicted with the disease all I can do is accept the research and wish those who are the best. I certainly am not helping matters by insinuating they are something less than human.
You are truly a psychopath. Damn.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:40 am to Scruffy
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The voices are real. Their delusions are true.
People who deny this are actually denying your existence and engaging in genocide against you and others like you.
I'm sure nothing will come of telling the severely mentally ill that they're the subject of a genocidal effort
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:43 am to AwgustaDawg
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Furthermore it is NONE OF MY BUSINESS.
What I'm hearing is that Parents should have free will to do whatever they like with their children. Give them drugs, abuse them, etc. After all, it is none of our business.
Is there nothing virtuous and altruistic about defending the defenseless?
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I am not, thankfully, afflicted with gender dysphoria and do not pretend to comprehend it. What I am fully capable of comprehending is that GENDER is a social construct while sex is a scientific fact which can not be denied.
Gender NORMS are a social construct. And different cultures have different norms. But behaving in a manner that falls outside of those norms does not mean that you are not part of that gender any more. It just means you prefer to not follow the norms.
This post was edited on 9/5/24 at 9:44 am
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:45 am to fr33manator
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Mass shooting as in a New Orleans style "mass-shooting"?
Or a columbine sort? Hope it's the former.
Really hope it's not true at all
Do you know what a high school is?
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:48 am to Scruffy
quote:
Let me get this straight.
Because you aren’t afflicted with gender dysphoria, you have no opinion on the methods used?
Therefore, you support chemically and physically castrating individuals, including children?
Yes, not being inflicted with a disease has rendered my opinion of available treatment options meaningless. Not being a medical expert has achieved the same thing.
No, I have opinions on what treatments are available. I do not understand how lopping ones pecker off is helpful. Again, I am not afflicted with the disease therefore if someone who is wants to lop their pecker off who I am to say they are right or wrong. In my opinion they are wrong but my opinion is meaningless. If their doctors think it is a viable treatment, again, who am I to say one way or another?
In the case of children I think it is far more advantageous to allow patients and their families and their doctors determine what is right for them, not me, not you, not the government. I do not think there is an abundance of trained medical professionals running about the globe mutilating children for the hell of it.
I have all manner of opinions on any number of subjects. many of which I have almost no knowledge of and no experience with. This being the case my opinion is WORTHLESS to anyone but me. This is so for everyone, by the way. I am not faced with wantiing to lop off my pecker....I kind of like it. I am thankfully not faced with my son wanting to lop his off. If either of these were not so then my or our opinions would be relevant. Since they are not they are not.
I think getting treated for cancer is a fricking good idea. I have had 2 people in my family diagnosed with cancers which were, most likely, treatable. They chose to not be treated. I disagrees. In my OPINION they should have fought for their lives. That was solely based on MY needs, not theirs. I needed them to live. I wanted them to live, It was not my decision, it was theirs. I did not agree, I even told them so....but I also supported them best I could. I fully expect my family to extend that same courtesy to me and I damn well demand it from strangers...I do not expect anyone to give a tinkers damn about my opinion and I fully expect the same in return....
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:49 am to Scruffy
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The new appropriate management is to merely tell them that everything they are experiencing is true.
Don't forget, they will kill themselves if you don't give them what they want. That's my favorite argument for providing puberty blockers...that it "prevents up to 50% (or whatever made up #) of suicides among gender dysphoric kids.
What happened to adults being adults? We now have a significant number of adults who think that it is a good idea to give a child whatever he wants if he threatens suicide. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:50 am to Scruffy
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Why is gender dysphoria the only delusion treated in such a manner?
Because it has been tied to the sexual movement and is heavily political.
...and it pays well (reimbursement). I wonder why?
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:52 am to WylieTiger
Was the shooter trans or something?
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:58 am to AwgustaDawg
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I damn well demand it from strangers.
This is the part where the movement loses everyone. Don't ask us to conform to your mental illness.
You want sympathy for being mentall ill? Check
You want me to pretend that you aren't a man so you can feel better instead of seeking the treatment you need? No thanks.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:00 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
quote:
You may want to have some mental fitness tests run yourself. You keep equating cancer to gender dysphoria. One is a physical affliction treated with physical treatments. The other is a mental disorder that is being treated mostly with physical treatments.
This is imply not true. First off mental disorders are disorders of the brain which is an organ in the same way a liver is. A mental disorder is exactly the same as a physical disorder in that it is a disorder of the physical components of the body. Second of all MOST gender dysphoria is treated with chemicals and counseling a LOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGGG time before any physical treatment beyond hormone therapy, which is also major component of most cancer treatments, at least as an option to surgery or radiation. In my understanding surgery is rare. If it isn't again, medical professionals and their patients make that decis]on, not me.
i[quote]It's like telling a schizophrenic person to run laps to get over their illness[/quote
There is a heap of science which indicates that exercise is indeed an effective component in the treatment of schizophrenia. Why would telling someone with it to run laps be a bad idea? The science suggests it may help.....
It is doubtful that a parent or parents shows up to a doctors office and says "my biological male child with the reproductive organs indicative of a biological male child does not accept the gender which society has assigned them" and the first thing out of the doctors mouth is "well, lets cut their pecker off".
In the extremely rare event that this does occur it is even rarer for those parents to say "OK, lets do it".
Finally it is even rarer in the rare event that the doctor can find a hospital which will allow the actual lopping off of that child's pecker without more information and review.
I know thats what y'all envision. I will bet you your life's wages against mine that you can't find an example of it having happened....
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:00 am to AwgustaDawg
quote:
The same is true of gender dysphoria. It can be the result of a choice...lifestyle choices. It can also, apparently, start without any choice. Why anyone not trained or afflicted has an opinion on how to treat either is a mystery but it is strange that in cancer we generally accept the patient and the treatment but not so in gender dysphoria.
Yet there's a nefarious movement where a group of "professionals" or let's call them "case workers" will use persuasive tactics over time to convince an adolescent and their parents that they need to transition with medication and surgery. That this will solve their problems.
To me, this is akin (to a lesser extent) to taking medication to alleviate a symptom rather than treat source of the problem. Ozempic for the obese without changing lifestyle/diet.
Except here, you are messing with hormones and a body that is not fully developed in all aspects and something that is permanently life altering.
All this time they figure out that they can but never question if they should.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:04 am to AwgustaDawg
quote:
This is imply not true. First off mental disorders are disorders of the brain which is an organ in the same way a liver is. A mental disorder is exactly the same as a physical disorder in that it is a disorder of the physical components of the body. Second of all MOST gender dysphoria is treated with chemicals and counseling a LOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGGG time before any physical treatment beyond hormone therapy, which is also major component of most cancer treatments, at least as an option to surgery or radiation. In my understanding surgery is rare. If it isn't again, medical professionals and their patients make that decis]on, not me.
i[quote]It's like telling a schizophrenic person to run laps to get over their illness[/quote
There is a heap of science which indicates that exercise is indeed an effective component in the treatment of schizophrenia. Why would telling someone with it to run laps be a bad idea? The science suggests it may help.....
It is doubtful that a parent or parents shows up to a doctors office and says "my biological male child with the reproductive organs indicative of a biological male child does not accept the gender which society has assigned them" and the first thing out of the doctors mouth is "well, lets cut their pecker off".
In the extremely rare event that this does occur it is even rarer for those parents to say "OK, lets do it".
Finally it is even rarer in the rare event that the doctor can find a hospital which will allow the actual lopping off of that child's pecker without more information and review.
I know thats what y'all envision. I will bet you your life's wages against mine that you can't find an example of it having happened....
You say a lot of stuff and have a lot of opinions for someone who doesn't have the affliction and isn't medically trained. Cutting off your dick to treat your brain is akin to cutting off your foot for a toothache
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