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Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:40 pm to Croacka
Serving a warrant?
And wind up killing a child......

And wind up killing a child......
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:41 pm to LNCHBOX
Lunchbox I don't know why they can't tell you're remaining neutral here.
My problem is with what you aren't saying or seemingly taking into account.
My problem is with what you aren't saying or seemingly taking into account.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:42 pm to Strannix
You could turn that around too...
Refusing to be served a warrant?
And you get your kid killed in the process...
Refusing to be served a warrant?
And you get your kid killed in the process...
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:42 pm to Darth_Vader
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If you don't consider page after page of blindly trying to make excuses for cops shooting a 6 yr old child multiple times boot licking, then it's you that's dumb.
If you think they intended to shoot a 6 yr old you are a complete dumbass...don't let the facts come out or an investigation be completed...just jump to conclusions.
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And one more thing. frick you.
Why do you have to say such hurtful things
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:42 pm to uway
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My problem is with what you aren't saying or seemingly taking into account.
What facts am I leaving out? ETA: Legit asking, not being a smartass.
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:43 pm to Croacka
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Refusing to be served a warrant?
And you get your kid killed in the process...
Probably because we've given law enforcement far far too much leeway when it comes to using deadly force.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:44 pm to LNCHBOX
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Blindly making excuses? Can I turn that around and say you're blindly attacking since you can't open your mind at all?
There is no excuse for shooting a child, much less shooting them multiple times. Period.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Accept your warrant and your kid is still alive.
That's one fact I feel comfortable making up
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Probably because we've given law enforcement far far too much leeway when it comes to using deadly force.
If you were a cop wouldn't you be on edge?
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:44 pm to Darth_Vader
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When a cop(or anyone else for that matter) draws a weapon and starts firing, they take responsibility for the consequences of what happens. Bottom line is these cops did not aquire a proper sight picture and instead went Wild West with their pistols.
Let me help you here. A police officer may fire his/her weapon when that officer determines that someone has put his/her life is in danger. As a police officer or any other citizen, you can defend yourself through any means possible if you can articulate that you were likely to suffer severe bodily harm if you didn't stop the threat.
If the driver was ramming the police car, the officer(s) were likely under attack by a deadly weapon. Not all the facts are public but the officers will be judged by the reasonable person test. In other words, would the reasonable person have acted in similar fashion to protect life?
You state that officers must take responsibility for their actions for each bullet fired. This is true. However, if that vehicle did ram the police car, the officers didn't create the deadly force situation. If police are only allowed to defend themselves or others when they are 100% sure to hit their targets, there will be a shite ton more crime and violence on our streets than there already is. Maybe you've watched too many action movies but the odds of striking a moving target at more than 3-5 feet is extremely low. That doesn't change the fact that if you are at risk to die or become disabled, you're allowed to defend yourself as needed.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:47 pm to ClientNumber9
Dey served dat warrant doe
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:47 pm to Darth_Vader
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There is no excuse for shooting a child, much less shooting them multiple times. Period.
Yes there is. Say I'm on patrol and someone starts shooting at me from 10 feet. I've been hit at least once that I'm aware of. I draw and return fire. 3 of my 4 rounds hit the suspect. One round misses and strikes a child 100 feet away that I did not see.
This event, while tragic and horrific, will not result in me being found guilty criminally or civilly.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:48 pm to Topwater Trout
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If you think they intended to shoot a 6 yr old you are a complete dumbass...don't let the facts come out or an investigation be completed...just jump to conclusions.
I'm certain they did not intend on shooting the child. But the fact remains they did. And had they fired their weapons in a responsible manner, that child would still be alive. But they did not fire responsibly, thus the child is dead. They fired their weapons without knowing what was in front of them. Learning not to do this is lesson one on the first day of any weapons training. For that, they must be held accountable.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:48 pm to LNCHBOX
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what facts am I leaving out? ETA: Legit asking, not being
In judging this particular shooting, I don't know that you're omitting any facts, and I seriously doubt that you are.
I just don't think it's all that worthwhile to talk about this particular incident without considering the dominant paradigm in law enforcement, which seems to be "perceive a threat, neutralize the threat even if it could be avoided". It is way too easy to imagine seeing a video of this incident which shows them firing when they could have simply gotten out of the way and then two weeks later reading a story saying they are absolved completely because they feared for their lives.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:50 pm to Darth_Vader
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There is no excuse for shooting a child, much less shooting them multiple times. Period
Is there an excuse for the father and how his actions led to this? If only he was a bootlicker that child would still be alive.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:50 pm to Croacka
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Accept your warrant and your kid is still alive.
You do realize a child is a person. What mistake did he make to warrant death?
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:51 pm to uway
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"perceive a threat, neutralize the threat even if it could be avoided"
And I'm not sure I agree with this. Can you quantify how many threats that could have been avoided were actually avoided? How do you account for that?
And if you can't account for that, the how can you say the dominant paradigm is to neutralize the threat even if it could be avoided? Perhaps the times neutralization is avoided far outweighs the times that the threat is neutralized, but how would you know?
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:51 pm to Strannix
Havent read much about the case. Are they alleging that the child's father was the driver who they were pursuing?
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:52 pm to Robin Masters
I'm just saying that the dad made the error in judgement that caused the entire situation
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