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re: Marines tested Male squads versus Mixed Gender squads. Shocking results!

Posted on 9/10/15 at 8:13 pm to
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38578 posts
Posted on 9/10/15 at 8:13 pm to
He didn't say special toilets, he said bathroom facilities, which is true.
Posted by chesty
Flap City C.C.
Member since Oct 2012
12731 posts
Posted on 9/10/15 at 8:18 pm to
Lol graded push ups? Marine Corps doesn't Do that trash
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 9/10/15 at 8:22 pm to
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Women's higher rates of ptsd are likely a result of the different traumas that women are more likely exposed to than men.
What different traumas?
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PTSD symptoms typically don't present until months after a deployed soldier has returned home, so there's no reason to believe this would impair a woman's ability to serve.
Typically is a vague standard, could be 51%. And even if delayed, it could certainly affect a woman's ability to serve effectively in subsequent tours.
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Again, this is no different than the fact that, on average, whites are more injury prone than blacks.
Which you have not proven.
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And yet you don't seem to be campaigning to make certain jobs off limits to whites.
Because that result would be unsustainable.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
66919 posts
Posted on 9/10/15 at 8:23 pm to
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You're extrapolating conclusions on bone density and hip fractures to include all injuries? Or did I miss a link? There are many other types of injuries than hip fractures or even fractures.
That study is also limited to people over the age of 65, and whites have a higher average life span, so a much better chance of reaching ages where hip fractures are more common.
Posted by ColeCoushCoush
Member since Aug 2014
497 posts
Posted on 9/10/15 at 8:31 pm to
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You said they were stronger and I provided examples that disprove that. You tried to pull some bull shite about participation rates out of your arse and I slapped you around.


Lol, calm down slappy. Again, maybe your school's discus team was mostly white dudes, but that doesn't prove anything.

Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
66919 posts
Posted on 9/10/15 at 8:38 pm to
Wow, did it take you that long to think up "slappy?"

If by "my school," you mean every Olympic team ever assembled, and by "white dudes" you mean the vast majority of quarterbacks and pitchers, then yeah.

I love how you talk out of your arse and then accuse others of doing it.

"It's probably because...." Uh huh. It's probably because you're full of shite.
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
3211 posts
Posted on 9/10/15 at 8:51 pm to
Coming soon to an Internet near you: A "new" study saying women and mixed gender teams are better in combat than all male teams. Of course, if you click one step further and read the actual study the "research" will be shoddy and blatenly irresponsible.
Posted by X123F45
Dictated not Read
Member since Apr 2015
30048 posts
Posted on 9/10/15 at 9:09 pm to
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What I would also like for a fully authentic study is to see is the results of female only tests. I would think those would be higher than the gender mixed as well honestly.


Pretty sure that would be a ruthless fighting group if chosen correctly.
This post was edited on 9/10/15 at 9:10 pm
Posted by jonboy
Member since Sep 2003
7485 posts
Posted on 9/10/15 at 9:33 pm to
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By your logic, the most elite combat units should be off limits to white men because, on average, we are physically inferior.


fricking retarded but kudos on attempting to deflect the issue into a racial one. One of the biggest predicators for success in combat arms - especially Army infantry - is the APFT. It's separated by gender not race.
Ever seen a group of female soldiers on mile 18 of a 20 mile ruck march? Me neither.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64717 posts
Posted on 9/10/15 at 9:58 pm to
Obviously these were biased male researchers. If it were all female researchers it would be the other way around, that females would outperform 93/134 tasks.
Posted by FunkasaurusReb
Memphis
Member since May 2014
870 posts
Posted on 9/10/15 at 10:06 pm to
Having trained FETs, and being part of a mixed training exercise where a FET was mixed with my platoon for a field problem, I can say that females do not belong in an Infantry Fire Team.

There're missions where it makes since to have FET come with, but for 90% of the time in the Light Infantry females only hinder the mission.
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 9/10/15 at 10:11 pm to
Better to have no country at all than a sexist, hetero-normative patriarchal one!!1

Leftists are suicidal.
This post was edited on 9/10/15 at 10:12 pm
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 9/10/15 at 11:02 pm to
If anyone hasn't read the actual report, I'd highly suggest it. It's good reading and very enlightening.

For example, you have to understand the degree to which the Marine Corps, derided by pedestrians as dumb or cannon-fodder, are students, even masters of war. For example, just one quote:
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“Of all the consistent patterns we can discern in war, there are two concepts of universal significance in
generating combat power: speed and focus. Speed is rapidity of action. It applies to both time and
space. Speed over time is tempo – the consistent ability to operate quickly. Speed over distance, or
space, is the ability to move rapidly. Both forms are genuine sources of combat power. In other words,
speed is a weapon.”

This post was edited on 9/10/15 at 11:08 pm
Posted by martiansgohome
Ankara
Member since Feb 2004
4683 posts
Posted on 9/10/15 at 11:09 pm to
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fricking retarded but kudos on attempting to deflect the issue into a racial one. One of the biggest predicators for success in combat arms - especially Army infantry - is the APFT. It's separated by gender not race. 
Ever seen a group of female soldiers on mile 18 of a 20 mile ruck march? Me neither. 


The difference in APFT grading standards by gender should tell us all we need to know. If the female standards are sufficient, why not apply them to all Soldiers?
Posted by jonboy
Member since Sep 2003
7485 posts
Posted on 9/10/15 at 11:10 pm to
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“Of all the consistent patterns we can discern in war, there are two concepts of universal significance in
generating combat power: speed and focus. Speed is rapidity of action. It applies to both time and
space. Speed over time is tempo – the consistent ability to operate quickly. Speed over distance, or
space, is the ability to move rapidly. Both forms are genuine sources of combat power. In other words,
speed is a weapon.”


John Boyd approves.
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 9/10/15 at 11:24 pm to
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If the female standards are sufficient,
Are they? Or are they the result of forced social norming gone awry? In other words: make it work.

ETA: And to what degree does it measure combat effectiveness as opposed to just physical conditioning? They are different.
This post was edited on 9/10/15 at 11:30 pm
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126858 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 1:37 am to
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All branches of the military are facing a January 1, 2016, deadline to open all combat roles to women


such bullshite

About 5 days ago I got an email from big AF asking my interest in retraining into PJ,CCT,TACP or SOWT bc my aptitude test scores and pt test scores flag me as a person of interest for them.

So I take the survey yada yada saying im interested and understanding the aspects of the career fields.

So I get to the end of it and of course they had to throw two fricking questions at the end asking my opinion on females serving in these roles. Like usual the military has a hidden agenda. I went ruthless on the two questions why women SHOULD NOT be in these jobs.


Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 5:59 am to
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So I'd say trying to create all female infantry squads would only make things even worse.



The rush to attack America just get a chance to rape an entire unit of women combat soldiers would be just what the military industrial complex needs to keep pumping out arms for decades.
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