re: March For Our Lives: I’m confused

As I understand it, 80% of gun crimes are committed with a handgun so solving for the AR is only resolving a small fraction of the gun crimes.

These kids and adults marching do not have a unified message. There is a variety of opinions even within the demonstrators. So if they can't all get on one page before deciding to make an issue of it, how do they expect the rest of the country agree upon whatever it is they want accomplished?

A couple of facebook dudes were interviewing some of the marchers. Most didn't know what the 2nd Amendment said, didn't know specifically what they wanted to see accomplished, most said they wanted the government to take whatever action they couldn't articulate properly, and also said they did not trust the government. . . Marching to prevent school shootings is absolutely worth doing, but when you drill down to the demonstrators, they have virtually no answers.

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The Constitution can be changed.


Are you willing to allow that process to happen and let the people vote on it?

Or are you scared to allow a vote like y'all always say anti-St George advocates are?

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The people that removed the statues were scared to allow a public vote on it.

BTW...how did that "we won't use city equipment or public funds" promise work out?

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Wasn't sandy hook done with all handguns?

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This is seemingly another huge oversight with these demonstrators.

A couple of opinions I've seen.

1 - ban the AR15 - they don't know why an AR is scary, but they just know it is what is being used. Same function exists in many other guns including handguns. . .

2 - reduce magazine capacity - probably has more practical merit, but still lacks logic beyond the surface. Even with reduced capacity magazine, someone can carry multiple guns and magazines. Cycle time is minimal.

Also with reduced magazines, it would seem that they are willing to accept 10 deaths? Just not 20 or 30? Is that the logic I'm hearing?

3 - they keep harping on gun culture. . . I don't see a huge gun "culture". I know several friends that enjoy shooting at the range, but in my daily life, I literally NEVER see a gun. It would help if they could define gun culture because the label makes it seem more prevalent than real life experience.

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What do they want beyond this?

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Total government control.

Don't forget: Not Equal Opportunity, but Equal Results for minorities.

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1 - ban the AR15 - they don't know why an AR is scary, but they just know it is what is being used. Same function exists in many other guns including handguns. . .

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I think they are pointing out that a number of the recent shootings (Parkland, Orlando, Sandy Hook, Sutherland Springs & Las Vegas) were carried out with firearms that are primarily used for warfare. Whether or not this firearm should be banned is a completely different debate.

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2 - reduce magazine capacity - probably has more practical merit, but still lacks logic beyond the surface. Even with reduced capacity magazine, someone can carry multiple guns and magazines. Cycle time is minimal.

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I don't really see a problem with lowering the capacity of magazines. But like you said, someone (Ex the Las Vegas shooter) could have multiple weapons on them.

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Also with reduced magazines, it would seem that they are willing to accept 10 deaths? Just not 20 or 30? Is that the logic I'm hearing?

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I don't think the body count is the issue in this situation. The idea could be that they are figuring out how long it would take this individual to reload their firearm before authorities or individuals could take this person down.

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3 - they keep harping on gun culture. . . I don't see a huge gun "culture". I know several friends that enjoy shooting at the range, but in my daily life, I literally NEVER see a gun. It would help if they could define gun culture because the label makes it seem more prevalent than real life experience.

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This is where you kind of lost me. America definitely has a gun culture. It's fairly clear that when anyone even brings up a different opinion on the 2A that certain groups go all end on destroying that individual or group.

I know that on the day of the march that a number of firearms brands decided to hold "Shooting tutorials for kids" and then promote them on social media. I'm not saying that this type of marketing is good or bad. But it does seem like a weird optic to promote at that time.


This entire situation needs to be carefully discussed by both sides. I also don't think a quick solution like banning all firearms or giving every teacher a firearm is the proper answer. But at least a conversation has started on the subject.

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More than those came down in NOLA?

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Not yet. But now that the 4 confederate statues came down, the same group who pushed for the removal of those monuments are now back to marching, protesting and calling for 5 more monuments to be taken down, including the world famous Andrew Jackson statue in Jackson Square.

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Can't appease these far left progressives. If you give them what they're asking for now, then they'll be back soon wanting more...whether its gun control, statues, or any other political/social hot button issue. If you give them an inch...

My overarching point is that the anti 2A crowd is anti 2A without much education on the topic. They're addressing the .01% of the population at the expense of the 99.99%. That just doesn't sit well with me.

And most of the measures they've suggested have nominal impacts and/or only lead down a path to more and more restrictions.

As for the gun culture, I don't see it any differently than I see alcohol sales, automotive sales, marijuana sales or any other industry that people can take advantage of. Offering gun safety courses at a demonstration, where X,000 people are at, doesn't really resonate into a "culture". The number of people at these events are paltry compared to the overall population. It's like saying that the BLM problem is the culture in America. They're not. They're a subculture or a microculture. The safety courses at the rallies are just businesses grabbing some publicity, and hopefully educating these uneducated anti 2A crowd.

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Are you willing to allow that process to happen and let the people vote on it?

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i'd love for the democrats to run on repealing the 2A