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re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in bars
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:04 pm to wildtigercat93
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:04 pm to wildtigercat93
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Even in cities without ordancies the non smoking options usually far outnumber the smoking options. The result will be the same, except there will be a market outlet for the niche market for smoking bars which is good for business in the city and good for the community economy
I still just can't understand the outrage that everyone is having over this. I live in Oxford, and you cannot smoke inside bars here. With that said, I can't think of a bar here (and there's quite a few) that do not have a balcony/patio for people to smoke. It's not as if when your at the bar you have to walk out to your car to smoke. You simply walk outside. If you smoke a lot, you get a table. Waiters serve you. You get to smoke, and I get to enjoy by drinks without having to deal with the smoke or getting burned by the idiot getting a beer that can't remember where his hand is.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 2:05 pm
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:04 pm to lsunurse
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would get shut down by the health department would you not?
You'd have to have some serious violations. Chipotle got people sick, they are still up and running.
Jack in the box killed people, they are still up and running.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:05 pm to wildtigercat93
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You don't have the right to drink in a bar either. The business owner chooses to allow you to drink but can remove that privilege to you if he so chooses. It's his business, he is the one with rights pertaining to that bar, you have privileges.
The hair you are trying to split needs a laser, and it isn't even there to begin with.
It's a bar!!! What else are you going to do there? If your point was about a cigar bar I'd follow you, but it's not.
It's gonna be ok. People will smoke outside. They will make you a nice patio. What does suck are places with really nice patios, and it's a perfect evening in October. Everybody wants to be outside but the smokers are there. But that is where I bow out of this argument as well. They have patio. It's just a rule. Then if somebody smoking bothers you, get up and move.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:07 pm to TigernMS12
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still just can't understand the outrage that everyone is having over this. I live in Oxford, and you cannot smoke inside bars here. With that said, I can't think of a bar here (and there's quite a few) that do not have a balcony/patio for people to smoke. It's not as if when your at the bar you have to walk out to your car to smoke. You simply walk outside. If you smoke a lot, you get a table. Waiters serve you. You get to smoke, and I get to enjoy by drinks without having to deal with the smoke or getting burned by the idiot getting a beer that can't remember where his hand is.
It would be more beneficial to everyone and easier to allow the businesses and the customers to decide where they want to drink.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:09 pm to Comp721
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don't affect anyone else's health when I eat a big mac.
If you drive your vehicle to get said big Mac, yes you are. If you ate said big Mac while driving, then you are putting others at risk.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:11 pm to wildtigercat93
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The market will get rid of 99 percent of smoking bars eventually, we don't need the government telling businesses what it's consumers want. Let the market decide that.
Going to a private business is not a right. So don't give me any shite about "I have the right to go to a bar without smelling smoke". Because that's a load of horse shite
Also I've never smoked and don't like smell of it, but I can choose to go to bars that don't allow smoking just as easily as smokers can choose to go to bars that do allow smoking
I completely agree. We don't need more laws that limit individual freedoms of customers or business owners.
Byw, I don't even smoke cigarettes.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:11 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Why should the bars have build patios if they don't already have one? Because some people don't like smoke?
There are bars in every town that are smokey af. They are full of men getting drunk and smoking. That's their business and identity. It's an absolute tragedy when they can no longer cater to their customers because some snowflakes don't like smoking in bars.
There are bars in every town that are smokey af. They are full of men getting drunk and smoking. That's their business and identity. It's an absolute tragedy when they can no longer cater to their customers because some snowflakes don't like smoking in bars.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:11 pm to wildtigercat93
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It would be more beneficial to everyone and easier to allow the businesses and the customers to decide where they want to drink.
I fail to see how that's easier. I'm also not saying that it's harder either, simply that there is no appreciable difference to me.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:12 pm to TigernMS12
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I still just can't understand the outrage that everyone is having over this.
I think a good amount of people still smoke in LA compared to many other states.
But I agree with you. I can remember a few smokers I knew that were outraged when the laws went into affect 10 years ago here. But...they got over it and adjusted. As for the bar owners....I heard some were glad about the laws. They got to make their bars smoke free and just blame it on the law. Patrons couldn't get mad at the business owners over it.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:15 pm to lsunurse
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I think a good amount of people still smoke in LA compared to many other states.
Apparently so.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:16 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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a bar!!! What else are you going to do there? If your point was about a cigar bar I'd follow you, but it's not.
My point was that they can refuse service to you at any time. They don't have to allow you on their property. You have no rights there pertaining to being in a bar.
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Then if somebody smoking bothers you, get up and move.
Why can't they do this inside as well?? I don't understand
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:17 pm to TigernMS12
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I still just can't understand the outrage that everyone is having over this.
It's a discussion about private property rights. Yes, we know the city can do what they want.
Some people actually believe in freedom and free markets where business owners can decide such for themselves and suffer the consequences of either loss of revenue or lawsuits.
It's really not hard to understand.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:18 pm to TigernMS12
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fail to see how that's easier
Because you aren't passing a law and aren't making a bar make a change it doesn't want to do. There is a considerably more amount of effort neeeded in banning something and regulating it rather than just letting the market do it for you.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Some people actually believe in freedom and free markets where business owners can decide such for themselves and suffer the consequences of either loss of revenue or lawsuits.
It's really not hard to understand.
So it's safe to assume you think private business owners should not be subject to any government regulation whatsoever?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:22 pm to TigernMS12
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So it's safe to assume you think private business owners should not be subject to any government regulation whatsoever?
And here we go, one extreme to another.
If smoking is legal, I believe it's the right of private business do decide if it can be done behind the doors or on the property. I think we're FAR overregulated in this country.
This goes for pot, alcohol, etc.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:23 pm to Big_Slim
Let's think about this.
Each person who smokes made the decision to start smoking at one point in their life and eventually became addicted.
Smoking cigarettes causes a lot of health problems. It's not a theory, it's not some type of conspiracy to hurt tobacco companies, it is proven that cigarettes can cause multiple health problems, not only to the people who smoke, but to those who are exposed to secondhand smoke.
According to the article I posted, smoking cost an estimate of $300 billion in health care and lost productivity so smoking isn't just a minor inconvenience. People have to pay more in health insurance because of it, people get sick because of it and your coworkers do more work than you in a day because of it.
So why is it such a big deal for smokers, who go out to bars, to simply go outside to smoke? You do it all day at work.
Each person who smokes made the decision to start smoking at one point in their life and eventually became addicted.
Smoking cigarettes causes a lot of health problems. It's not a theory, it's not some type of conspiracy to hurt tobacco companies, it is proven that cigarettes can cause multiple health problems, not only to the people who smoke, but to those who are exposed to secondhand smoke.
According to the article I posted, smoking cost an estimate of $300 billion in health care and lost productivity so smoking isn't just a minor inconvenience. People have to pay more in health insurance because of it, people get sick because of it and your coworkers do more work than you in a day because of it.
So why is it such a big deal for smokers, who go out to bars, to simply go outside to smoke? You do it all day at work.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:25 pm to OweO
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According to the article I posted, smoking cost an estimate of $300 billion in health care and lost productivity so smoking isn't just a minor inconvenience.
That's some really fuzzy accounting.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If smoking is legal, I believe it's the right of private business do decide if it can be done behind the doors or on the property. I think we're FAR overregulated in this country.
Ok, what about liquor/beer licenses and the regulations that come with them such as closing times, prohibitions against flaming drinks, dram shot laws, etc.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:27 pm to OweO
Not everyone who smokes at a bar is a pack a day addict, wheels.
ETA: and smoking in bars has zero impact on healthcare costs.
ETA: and smoking in bars has zero impact on healthcare costs.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:27 pm to OweO
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You do it all day at work.
Hell, I'd imagine that most do at home too, but god forbid they have to at a bar.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 2:28 pm
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