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re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in bars
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:51 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:51 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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literally no one is saying it's no danger. what's your point?
There has been several posts claiming that second hand smoke either is not a health risk or has not been proven, so yes, there are people saying second hand smoke is no danger.
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:52 pm to TigernMS12
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There has been several posts claiming that second hand smoke either is not a health risk or has not been proven, so yes
Yes it's a risk, yes it's over dramatized. Allow people to make choices.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:53 pm to TigernMS12
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My question is simple: If this is over-regulation, at what point, in your opinion, are regulations justified?
As a business owner, why can't I set my own rules to do whatever I want. No lines?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:54 pm to mikrit54
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As a business owner, why can't I set my own rules to do whatever I want. No lines?
And Roger wonders why I asked that question in the first place.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:56 pm to TigernMS12
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And Roger wonders why I asked that question in the first place.
It's a legit question. I don't know why you have to seem so condescending.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:58 pm to Honky Lips
You would think the market could handle this.
I can't handle smoke but as long as I know where to avoid I don't care.
I can't handle smoke but as long as I know where to avoid I don't care.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:58 pm to mikrit54
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It's a legit question. I don't know why you have to seem so condescending.
Because when I asked a question regarding exactly what you just proposed others acted as if it was lunacy that I even asked it.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:59 pm to TigernMS12
Then why can't I?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 3:00 pm to wildtigercat93
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Why can't they do this inside as well?? I don't understand
Pretty obvious you are a smoker or live with one. You've become immune to the amount of space in a building that a cigarette can stink up. That's just one. Like sitting in a room with a fireplace with no chimney.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 3:02 pm to mikrit54
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Then why can't I?
My post wasn't directed at you. I asked earlier if someone believed exactly what you just proposed and the response was that it was an extremist position that basically no one in their right mind argue for and therefore was an illegitimate question.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 3:04 pm to TigernMS12
It is a legitimate question with no good answer.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 3:09 pm to mikrit54
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It is a legitimate question with no good answer.
It's well founded in our Constitution, as well as every other governing document of a functional society, that the government shall have the power make laws for the general welfare and wellbeing of the pubic at large. It was so in 1788 when our Constitution was ratified and will remain to be so. Specifically, Article 1, §8 of the Constitution specifically gives Congress the power regulate interstate commerce (public business). The dormant commerce clause, through the Tenth Amendment, gives states and local governments the right to regulate intrastate commerce and interstate commerce so long as it doesn't conflict federal law. This is nothing new.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 3:10 pm to Dead End
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Yeah, more big government. Thats all we fricking need.
Individual communities passing their own laws independent of state and federal oversight is the epitome of a dual federalist small government republic
Posted on 6/25/17 at 3:11 pm to TigernMS12
Does general welfare and well being of the public at large cover smoking?
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 3:11 pm to TigernMS12
the alcohol served at bars is 100000x more dangerous to other people than the second hand smoke. maybe we should ban bars.
this has nothing to do with public wellbeing.
this has nothing to do with public wellbeing.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 3:12 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Pretty obvious you are a smoker or live with one. You've become immune to the amount of space in a building that a cigarette can stink up. That's just one. Like sitting in a room with a fireplace with no chimn
Nope and nope. I make willing choices to go to places that don't allow smoking and my life is never effected by it in any way.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 3:14 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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the alcohol served at bars is 100000x more dangerous to other people than the second hand smoke. maybe we should ban bars.
For me it has nothing to do with safety.
It's disgusting and it fricks with my sinuses. Everything cigarette smoke touches smells like shite for days and it's miserable if you have allergies.
You can't enjoy a cigarette without affecting everyone around you indoors. You can enjoy a drink without affecting everyone around you.
Smokers are so quick to say "my rights! Don't tread on my rights!"
What about the rights of the nonsmokers around you?you can't enjoy your right without infringing on mine.
Go outside.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 3:14 pm to mikrit54
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Does general welfare and well being if the public at large cover smoking?
Considering the health risks involved with smoking and second hand smoke yes. Not only do I believe that, but several courts have as well when smoking regulations were first becoming a thing and business owners were suing under various theories, including unconstitutional takings without just compensation and invasion of private property rights. Essentially they were arguing what most in this thread are. They lost.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 3:15 pm to Breesus
Then don't go to bars where smoking is allowed 
Posted on 6/25/17 at 3:16 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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Then don't go to bars where smoking is allowed
Go outside
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