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re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in bars
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:40 pm to efrad
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:40 pm to efrad
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no one is saying that the government doesn't have the legal authority to place such restrictions.
people are saying that the government shouldn't enact such restrictions because they're morally overreaching on the freedoms of business owners and their patrons.
It's not overreaching when it's a public health or human rights issue. Just like how businesses used to be able to deny service to black people or segregate their bathrooms and water fountains. You could make the same argument
"Well then those black people should just go to a place that isn't racist!"
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:40 pm to Comp721
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Just like how businesses used to be able to deny service to black people or segregate their bathrooms and water fountains. You could make the same argument
When did non smokers become a protected class
Think we've jumped the shark on this argument
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:41 pm to Big_Slim
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I wonder how you would feel about obesity laws in the future that would similarly limit personal freedom all in the name of abating a "health epidemic."
I don't affect anyone else's health when I eat a big mac.
This really isn't difficult to understand
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:41 pm to Comp721
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It's not overreaching when it's a public health or human rights issue.
That's how we got stupid shite like the war on drugs, blue laws and the patriot act.
Keep on, brother. All we need is a few more freedoms tossed!!
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:44 pm to Honky Lips
Louisiana hasnt banned smoking in bars yet? They did it in florida like 12 or 13 years ago and it was awesome. Now there is some loophole with if they serve enough food or something they can get around it somehow, but barely anywhere does that.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:45 pm to Comp721
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It's not overreaching when it's a public health or human rights issue. Just like how businesses used to be able to deny service to black people or segregate their bathrooms and water fountains. You could make the same argument
"Well then those black people should just go to a place that isn't racist!"
You could make the same argument. And I would. It's their business. They should have the right to serve whomever they want. And as a white person I would never patronize a racist piece of shite's business.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:46 pm to Comp721
Second hand smoke does not significantly affect health, just the pH levels of your vagina.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Are you denying it's their property?
I'm not denying it's their property (at least in some cases; most buildings that are bars are leased at least where I live).
My point is this is not a generally applicable regulation. It applies to the few select people who own and operate bars. No one forced them to go into that business. They choose too. When you elect to open up a business to the general public, especially when licenses are involved, the state is going to ensure that you abide by the regulations. If you don't like them, don't open a bar. Furthermore, this is not some arbitrary draconian regulation. The health implications of second hand smoke are well documented, and I can think of no role of greater importance that the government serves then to do what they can to ensure the well being of the general public.
Just because you own property doesn't give you free rain to do whatever the frick you want on it at the detriment of everyone else around you.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:48 pm to TigernMS12
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Just because you own property doesn't give you free rain to do whatever the frick you want on it at the detriment of everyone else around you.
Except those people literally choose to come to the property
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:49 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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Louisiana hasnt banned smoking in bars yet?
I haven't been to a bar in MS where they allowed smoking (outside of the casinos) in god knows how long. I really don't see why it's such a big issue. Every bar I go to has an inside and patio area. There's service inside and out. You can smoke outside, but you can't inside. I'd be on board with all the people bitching about this if they we're outlawing smoking all together, but that's not the case.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:49 pm to TigernMS12
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Just because you own property doesn't give you free rain to do whatever the frick you want on it at the detriment of everyone else around you.
Who suffers in a smoking bar? People who choose to be there?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:50 pm to TigernMS12
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I haven't been to a bar in MS where they allowed smoking (outside of the casinos) in god knows how long.
That's because the markets have ousted it, not because it's been banned. Amazing how that concept works. Letting the market dictate supply/demand
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:53 pm to wildtigercat93
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That's because the markets have ousted it, not because it's been banned. Amazing how that concept works. Letting the market dictate supply/demand
Both cities that I have lived in over the past roughly 10 years have ordinances banning smoking inside public buildings. Hattiesburg actually bans smoking anywhere within 50 feet of a public entrance to a building open to the public except for designated smoking areas, which is how bars get away with allowing people to smoke on patios.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:56 pm to TigernMS12
Even in cities without ordancies the non smoking options usually far outnumber the smoking options. The result will be the same, except there will be a market outlet for the niche market for smoking bars which is good for business in the city and good for the community economy
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:56 pm to OweO
Also...think of the customers who will now go to your bar now that it is non smoking. If the majority of people don't smoke...makes more sense you have just made your bar more attractive to others.
That is what happened in Scottsdale when they banned smoking in bars like 10 years ago. The smaller dive bars became more popular places to go...because the majority (nonsmokers) knew they could go there and not walk out smelling like an ashtray at the end of the night.
That is what happened in Scottsdale when they banned smoking in bars like 10 years ago. The smaller dive bars became more popular places to go...because the majority (nonsmokers) knew they could go there and not walk out smelling like an ashtray at the end of the night.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:58 pm to lsunurse
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Also...think of the customers who will now go to your bar now that it is non smoking. If the majority of people don't smoke...makes more sense you have just made your bar more attractive to others.
So if it just makes good business sense, then it seems like reasonable business owners would do it anyway. And if that is the case, then why have a law at all?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:58 pm to lsunurse
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Also...think of the customers who will now go to your bar now that it is non smoking. If the majority of people don't smoke...makes more sense you have just made your bar more attractive to others.
This will already happen. Why does the government have to intervene?? The market will adjust naturally on its own and allow some of the smoking bars to survive as a niche. Why is that such a bad thing?
If you have 10 bar options and only one of them is smoking, are you going to complain about that one bar allowing smoking or will you just choose to go to non smoking bars?
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:02 pm to lsunurse
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Also...think of the customers who will now go to your bar now that it is non smoking. If the majority of people don't smoke...makes more sense you have just made your bar more attractive to others.
Whats wild is any bar could have excluded smoking and cashed in on this looooong ago without big brothers help.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:02 pm to wildtigercat93
I love the people who know more about turning a profit at a bar than actual bar owners.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:03 pm to TigernMS12
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Just because you own property doesn't give you free rain to do whatever the frick you want on it at the detriment of everyone else around you.
I really don't know why you keep saying this. The discussion had to do with private property, it's understood that the government can do whatever they want to your own property including take it.
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