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re: Man urinates on the altar in St. Peter's Basilica
Posted on 10/11/25 at 11:26 pm to gaetti15
Posted on 10/11/25 at 11:26 pm to gaetti15
quote:If I'm remembering him correctly, foomanchew gets to decide on who goes to heaven and hell.
Yeahhhhh try to walk that back baw.
ETA: 24:1 downvote to update ratio. That hurts.
He's righteous, if you didn't already know - the only one without sin.
He's walking on thin ice with his false sense of self-holiness. Best to pray for him, and that's about it as far as engaging him goes.
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Posted on 10/11/25 at 11:29 pm to gaetti15
quote:They were saved in 4th grade vacation Bible school baw. They have their one time free pass. No need to work on theosis or fighting sin or changing their ways. They're good to go brotha.
Speaking to prots baw
What? What narrow gate?
Posted on 10/11/25 at 11:30 pm to FooManChoo
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It is clear that you don’t have a winning argument theologically, because when push comes to shove, instead of criticizing any of my particular beliefs, you criticize the number of members of the denomination. Thats absolutely weak and irrational, and I think you know that, which is why you refuse to acknowledge it.
Nah you just want to piss on the altar of a Catholic Church brah. In the Vatican.
Im sorry, you've lost any sort of effort with me.
If you had the chance, I have no doubt you'd kick the Pope in the testicles and spit in his face. Because of course what else would you do with the supposed anti-christ
Posted on 10/11/25 at 11:30 pm to mudshuvl05
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What? What narrow gate?
true story bro Posted on 10/11/25 at 11:59 pm to Froman
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only to reveal to the world that you pull your pants all the way down to pee.
Does everyone not do this?
Posted on 10/12/25 at 12:22 am to FooManChoo
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I already addressed this multiple times. If this were true, Islam would be considered the right religion because there are more Muslims than Catholics
Catholicism is a branch of the religion of Christianity. You are equating a branch of religion to an entire religion, that of Islam. Islam also has branches, branches that hate each other so much they fight wars against each other
The largest branch of Islam is Sunni, they do have slightly more Sunni’s than Roman Catholics, but I do not know enough about Sunni Muslims to know if that branch divides further into sects but it is my surface level understanding that the spectrum in this particular branch varies much more wildly in its extremism of beliefs than the Catholic Church as there is no overall governing body for Sunni Muslims like there is for the Catholic Church, which would make Roman Catholicism the single largest branch of religion in the world with a singular codified set of beliefs under one governing body
Either way your original premise is a false equivalency, and the argument itself is far more complex
Also I am a Catholic and I was taught to believe any Christian who sincerely believes in salvation through Christ and strives to live a good moral life is saved. So I’m don’t really relate to your argument on that end either. If I’m blessed enough to go to heaven, I hope to see all my fellow sincere Christians there one day with me
This post was edited on 10/12/25 at 12:35 am
Posted on 10/12/25 at 9:15 am to mudshuvl05
quote:The Father elects and the Son judges. I have no role in that.
If I'm remembering him correctly, foomanchew gets to decide on who goes to heaven and hell.
quote:I will say with Paul that I’m the chief of sinners. I have no righteousness in myself. The only one I have is imputed by Christ, and I don’t deserve it.
He's righteous, if you didn't already know - the only one without sin.
quote:I actually would like you to pray for me, but not because of some self-holiness that you wrongfully accuse me of having. Pray that I would honor the Lord more consistently in these discussions.
He's walking on thin ice with his false sense of self-holiness. Best to pray for him, and that's about it as far as engaging him goes.
Posted on 10/12/25 at 9:18 am to mudshuvl05
quote:The Bible doesn’t teach antinomianism. We are not justified by our works but we are supposed to be obedient to God out of thankfulness for saving us. If we are saved, we are saved unto good works, not saved from having to do good works.
They were saved in 4th grade vacation Bible school baw. They have their one time free pass. No need to work on theosis or fighting sin or changing their ways. They're good to go brotha.
Posted on 10/12/25 at 9:19 am to TrueTiger
I wonder what the charge against me would be for running up there and knocking the shite out of that guy?
And I’m not Catholic … but assholes like this need to be dealt with.
And I’m not Catholic … but assholes like this need to be dealt with.
Posted on 10/12/25 at 9:21 am to gaetti15
quote:I would do none of those things. I pray that he would repent and leave Catholicism and that the Lord would draw many out of Babylon, but I don’t believe personal vengeance is what Christians are called to, even for their enemies. God will judge that wicked organization that leads so many astray.
Nah you just want to piss on the altar of a Catholic Church brah. In the Vatican.
Im sorry, you've lost any sort of effort with me.
If you had the chance, I have no doubt you'd kick the Pope in the testicles and spit in his face. Because of course what else would you do with the supposed anti-christ
Posted on 10/12/25 at 9:26 am to ThePoo
quote:This is a good point, but misses what I was getting at. He was arguing that truth is based on majority opinion, and that a smaller group should be discounted because the truth cannot reside in a minority.
Catholicism is a branch of the religion of Christianity. You are equating a branch of religion to an entire religion, that of Islam. Islam also has branches, branches that hate each other so much they fight wars against each other
The largest branch of Islam is Sunni, they do have slightly more Sunni’s than Roman Catholics, but I do not know enough about Sunni Muslims to know if that branch divides further into sects but it is my surface level understanding that the spectrum in this particular branch varies much more wildly in its extremism of beliefs than the Catholic Church as there is no overall governing body for Sunni Muslims like there is for the Catholic Church, which would make Roman Catholicism the single largest branch of religion in the world with a singular codified set of beliefs under one governing body
Either way your original premise is a false equivalency, and the argument itself is far more complex
If I take you at your word that Sunnis are still slightly larger than Catholics, that still supports my criticism of his argument.
quote:I hope you are trusting in Christ alone for your justification. If so, I believe I will see you in heaven one day.
Also I am a Catholic and I was taught to believe any Christian who sincerely believes in salvation through Christ and strives to live a good moral life is saved. So I’m don’t really relate to your argument on that end either. If I’m blessed enough to go to heaven, I hope to see all my fellow sincere Christians there one day with me
Posted on 10/12/25 at 9:41 am to FooManChoo
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He was arguing that truth is based on majority opinion,
You are always being deceitful and misleading around here.
That's not my argument. My argument is that when a sect like yours has only about 10,000 people and no church at all in the State of Louisiana, because they are going defunct, then it is logical to consider whether the Holy Spirit wants that sect to grow or not.
10k people in the whole USA with many states having zero churches of your sect? That's practically non-existent. People should consider that when they read your preaching around here - that your sect is practically non-existent.
And by the way, folks, that man didn't just urinate on Catholicism and the Vatican, he urinated on Peter the Fisherman's grave. Peter is buried at that exact spot. So, Foo, good job not being bothered at all by somebody urinating on an Apostle's grave.
Double-Predestination Foo.
This post was edited on 10/12/25 at 9:46 am
Posted on 10/12/25 at 10:27 am to FooManChoo
quote:not necessarily, the Sunnis might have the larger population, but as they do not have an overarching governing body with a singular codified set of laws, beliefs, and practices you could argue that the Catholic Church is the largest practicing branch of religion in the world with one singular very specific set of codified beliefs, thus making those set of beliefs the most followed in the world. I think it’s a much more complicated argument than a simple 1:1 population caught.
If I take you at your word that Sunnis are still slightly larger than Catholics, that still supports my criticism of his argument.
quote:Christ and the repentance of my sins through His Grace, and a sincere effort to turn away from those sins going forward. I will continually stumble and continually turn to this
I hope you are trusting in Christ alone for your justification
This post was edited on 10/12/25 at 10:28 am
Posted on 10/12/25 at 10:33 am to TrueTiger
Europe needs a muslim roundup and put on a slow boat back to the middle east. You asked for this and now you've got. Deal with it.
Posted on 10/12/25 at 12:15 pm to SirWinston
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Likewise the difference between the Catholic and Protestant understanding of justification is so subtle that it make no practical difference in the way most people live their faith. IMO
that is true, have an upvote.
it takes careful scholarship to pick apart the differences in soteriology (theology of salvation - my big word of the day) between the Christian denominations. and furthermore, big words like "justification" and "righteousness" or even "worship" can mean different things to different groups, which further complicates debates.
It's not that you can't know the truth.
Some groups have more truth than others. And you'll know a tree by its fruits.
anyway WInston, hope all is well in the PNW.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 8:05 am to Champagne
quote:What does that have to do with the truth being taught and practiced in the denomination? When the RCC lost thousands of followers during the Reformation, was that a sign that it was defunct and not teaching the truth? I doubt you would say that.
You are always being deceitful and misleading around here.
That's not my argument. My argument is that when a sect like yours has only about 10,000 people and no church at all in the State of Louisiana, because they are going defunct, then it is logical to consider whether the Holy Spirit wants that sect to grow or not.
Our denomination is actually growing right now. The congregation I belong to has grown by several families this last year with more intending to join. We are being blessed right now, not going defunct.
quote:Again, what does the numbers have to do with my “preaching”? Either what I say is true or it isn’t. The number of people in my denomination is irrelevant to that, which is why I said you are committing a logical fallacy, tying truth to the number of people believing it.
10k people in the whole USA with many states having zero churches of your sect? That's practically non-existent. People should consider that when they read your preaching around here - that your sect is practically non-existent.
With that said, most of what I say here is affirmed by most Protestants, and those things that are more specific to Calvinist teachings for the Bible are affirmed by hundreds of thousands of Reformed and Calvinist Christians.
You need to lay off the denomination size argument. It doesn’t do anything but show that you have weak arguments.
quote:I already said that I don’t condone the action. Whether Peter is truly buried there or not (Catholics claim a lot of relics that seem to not be authentic) doesn’t change that.
And by the way, folks, that man didn't just urinate on Catholicism and the Vatican, he urinated on Peter the Fisherman's grave. Peter is buried at that exact spot. So, Foo, good job not being bothered at all by somebody urinating on an Apostle's grave.
quote:This is a random statement. What does that have to do with the topic?
Double-Predestination Foo.
This post was edited on 10/13/25 at 8:06 am
Posted on 10/13/25 at 8:07 am to TrueTiger
Beat the everliving shite out of him
Posted on 10/13/25 at 8:11 am to ThePoo
quote:I think you are over analyzing and missing my point. Champagne is saying the number of adherents to a faith/sect determines whether or not what they say should be listened to, instead of judging their truth claims. That is a logical fallacy.
not necessarily, the Sunnis might have the larger population, but as they do not have an overarching governing body with a singular codified set of laws, beliefs, and practices you could argue that the Catholic Church is the largest practicing branch of religion in the world with one singular very specific set of codified beliefs, thus making those set of beliefs the most followed in the world. I think it’s a much more complicated argument than a simple 1:1 population caught.
Whether the Sunnis have an organized structure or exact same beliefs is irrelevant. Even with such a structure, Catholics actually believe very different things from person to person in practice. I’m just not calling attention to that here because that is missing the point.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 8:12 am to FooManChoo
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I'm serious. They deny justification by faith in Christ alone and require meritorious works to add to and improve justification.
Just stop. Are Catholics perfect? No are we ? no. But one thing we dont need in this very dangerous world is toxic disunity. I'm sick of it. The world turns more hostile by the day and you people want to fight other believers.
God is plenty powerful enough to determine who is right and who is wrong. And you disunity types are wrong. We dont need this cancer right now.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 8:18 am to Red_and_black
quote:Jesus said He came to bring the sword, and He was talking about disunity between even family members for His name’s sake.
Just stop. Are Catholics perfect? No are we ? no. But one thing we dont need in this very dangerous world is toxic disunity. I'm sick of it. The world turns more hostile by the day and you people want to fight other believers.
God is plenty powerful enough to determine who is right and who is wrong. And you disunity types are wrong. We dont need this cancer right now.
I agree with Martin Luther when he said “peace if possible, truth at all costs”.
I want to have peace and unity, but not at the expense of the truth, and particularly the truth of the gospel.
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