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re: Malaysian Airliner with 295 people on board shot down by SAM missle
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:52 am to Bluefin
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:52 am to Bluefin
It was at fricking 33k feet. I'd imagine there's only a handful of surface to air missiles with the capabilities to track and hit hit something that high up. That's baffling.
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:53 am to Bluefin
quote:
Seems pretty foolhardy to be flying over a war zone.
When you have a bunch of guys running around 30k feet below shooting rifles I doubt there was much concern about a plane being hit
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:53 am to roguetiger15
quote:they all can. 33k ain't shite. I can get that high in my Cessna
It was at fricking 33k feet. I'd imagine there's only a handful of surface to air missiles with the capabilities to track and hit hit something that high up. That's baffling.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:54 am to meauxjeaux2
quote:
Do they just see an object on radar and fire?
The can do that, but you typically take into account behavior of the aircraft. If an aircraft is on a known airway, at FL330 and not jinking, it usually points to an airliner. You dont fire, unless you are the CO of the USS Vincennes in the 1980s.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:54 am to roguetiger15
It would have to be a highly sophisticated missile possessed by an organized and technologically advanced military, not some rebel in a wool cap
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:54 am to meauxjeaux2
Wow!
Flightaware status just changed to "RESULT UNKNOWN" from "en route/on time"
LINK
Malaysia Airlines 17 (Track inbound flight)
MAS17 · "Malaysian" (all flights) (website)
Amsterdam Schiphol (EHAM / AMS)
Kuala Lumpur Int'l (WMKK / KUL)
Terminal M
12:30PM CEST
05:59AM MYT (+1) (?) (+1)
Scheduled:
12:00PM CEST
7-day average:
12:11PM CEST
Scheduled:
05:50AM MYT (+1)
7-day average:
04:26AM MYT (+1)
Other flights between these airports
Duration: 11 hours 28 minutes
Thursday, July 17, 2014
Status
result unknown (?) (track log & graph)
Aircraft
Boeing 777-200 (twin-jet) (B772 – photos)
Speed
Filed: 468 kts (graph)
Distance
Direct: 6,368 sm Planned: 6,368 sm
Flightaware status just changed to "RESULT UNKNOWN" from "en route/on time"
LINK
Malaysia Airlines 17 (Track inbound flight)
MAS17 · "Malaysian" (all flights) (website)
Amsterdam Schiphol (EHAM / AMS)
Kuala Lumpur Int'l (WMKK / KUL)
Terminal M
12:30PM CEST
05:59AM MYT (+1) (?) (+1)
Scheduled:
12:00PM CEST
7-day average:
12:11PM CEST
Scheduled:
05:50AM MYT (+1)
7-day average:
04:26AM MYT (+1)
Other flights between these airports
Duration: 11 hours 28 minutes
Thursday, July 17, 2014
Status
result unknown (?) (track log & graph)
Aircraft
Boeing 777-200 (twin-jet) (B772 – photos)
Speed
Filed: 468 kts (graph)
Distance
Direct: 6,368 sm Planned: 6,368 sm
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:54 am to roguetiger15
The wiki says the 9M317 can go to 46,000 ft
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:54 am to meauxjeaux2
quote:
It was at fricking 33k feet. I'd imagine there's only a handful of surface to air missiles with the capabilities to track and hit hit something that high up. That's baffling.
FIrst generation Soviet SA-2s shot down Francis Gary Powers above 70K in 1960.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:55 am to GetCocky11
quote:
Apparently, the separatists just shot down a Ukrainian fighter jet just recently. This could be them at it again.
A fighter jet, or a helicopter?
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:56 am to SM6
The fact that it was a large missile and not a MANPAD is the most worrying. Shoulder launched missiles are all over the place. Truck launched is another issue. You don't just call up Nick Cage and order a couple trucks of SAMs
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:56 am to GRTiger
quote:
Apparently, the separatists just shot down a Ukrainian fighter jet just recently. This could be them at it again.
It was an AN-26. A propeller driven cargo plane above FL200
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:57 am to GRTiger
quote:
It's still not clear what happened to today's Malaysia Airlines flight but last night, as the US announced new sanctions on Russia, American officials suggested Russian weapons were behind the downing of a Ukrainian transport aircraft on Monday. Here's what they had to say:
"On July 14th, Ukrainians lost an An-26 transport jet, which was shot down from an altitude of 21,000 feet, with eight crew on board. And only very sophisticated weapons systems would be able to reach this height."
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:57 am to meauxjeaux2
Ah shite. This will get messy.
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 10:58 am
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:58 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Location of where contact was lost.
Another video
The folks who filmed this one must have heard something to go outside and film it before the smoke was rising.
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 11:09 am
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:58 am to roguetiger15
quote:
It was at fricking 33k feet. I'd imagine there's only a handful of surface to air missiles with the capabilities to track and hit hit something that high up. That's baffling.
Every single SAM can do that
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:58 am to meauxjeaux2
i think malaysia just got crossed off my places to go list for good
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:58 am to Riseupfromtherubble
There you go. Now the waters are good and muddy. Three potential sources here.
Knowing they have the capability, I would look hard at the rebels.
Knowing they have the capability, I would look hard at the rebels.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:59 am to Riseupfromtherubble
NBC News Terrorism Expert:
Almost non existent chance of being a terrorism group. Sophisticated military-style equipment was probably used.
Almost non existent chance of being a terrorism group. Sophisticated military-style equipment was probably used.
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 10:59 am
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:59 am to SM6
Is this gonna turn out to be a Russian version of Gomer Pyle tripping over his dick? I hope it's that and not some fricking cult of death plot again.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:59 am to SM6
"Anton Gerashenko, advisor to Ukraine's Interior Minister, said on his FB page the plane was flying at an altitude of 33,000' when it was hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher."
A similar launcher was seen by AP journalists near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne earlier Thursday.
LINK
A similar launcher was seen by AP journalists near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne earlier Thursday.
LINK
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 11:00 am
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