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re: Major wildfire in Los Angeles (and Pasadena)

Posted on 1/7/25 at 11:47 pm to
Posted by ChiSaint
Silicon Valley, CA
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 11:47 pm to
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California politicians caused this, frankly. Florida has more forest area and hardly has any wildfires. It’s because they maintain their forests and have controlled burns annually. California stopped controlled burns around the 80s due to environmental concerns. Now every fire they have gets out of hand.


This isn’t true. I live in the Santa Cruz Mountains and Cal Fire is constantly doing controlled burns. The issue is that it no longer rains in Southern California. The narrative that the California is mismanaging everything is just not true in this case. Montana and Idaho have had major fires recently - are they mismanaging their forests?

Posted by 0x15E
Outer Space
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 11:48 pm to
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Florida has more forest area and hardly has any wildfires. It’s because they maintain their forests and have controlled burns annually.


Probably more has to do with the humidity and proximity to two major water basins.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71643 posts
Posted on 1/7/25 at 11:50 pm to
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Looting has begun

Trash people.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
32115 posts
Posted on 1/7/25 at 11:53 pm to
Being reported that the Bert is now spreading as well
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 1/7/25 at 11:56 pm to
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It’s getting scary here in the LA area. Say some prayers all. It’s basically a fire hurricane.


Prayers for you all. Supposedly winds are supposed to pick up in a few mins till about 5 am. They are all over and running out of resources while embers are catching homes on fire every moment.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 11:57 pm to
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73172 posts
Posted on 1/7/25 at 11:58 pm to
Fire is now yards away from Santa Monica

Posted by SkiUtah420
Member since Jul 2023
1139 posts
Posted on 1/7/25 at 11:59 pm to
One of my clients was in Pacific Palisades. Had to evacuate to Hawthorne to try to get charter out of there.... there is a TFR over all of LA down to Long Beach.

Is this going to be the worst fire disaster in history?
Posted by momentoftruth87
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:00 am to
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71643 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:01 am to
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This isn’t true. I live in the Santa Cruz Mountains and Cal Fire is constantly doing controlled burns. The issue is that it no longer rains in Southern California. The narrative that the California is mismanaging everything is just not true in this case.

Yeah, the mismanagement line has become a talking point and is being used as a political weapon to beat opponents with. In the past, it was much more an issue. Now, a lot of effort and funding goes into the prescribed burning.

To your point about lack of rain/drought being a major issue currently. It isn't really. There is no significant drought right now in SoCal. It is dry, abnormally dry in places, but it is more seasonally dry than the droughts of recent years. A major contributor to this is what finally broke the long drought in the area......a wet Fall into Winter and an average to above average Spring. That greened everything up and lead to significant new growth. When the normal dry season rolled around, all of the new green vegetation naturally dried out and became a massive amount of new fuel.

That's both the blessing and the curse when an extended drought like the area faced finally breaks, and this has been an ongoing concern this fire season.
Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
31793 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:01 am to
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Is this going to be the worst fire disaster in history?


Please God, I hope not. This is literally hell on Earth for those people. God hep them.
Posted by John Barron
The Mar-a-Lago Club
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:01 am to
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73172 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:01 am to
Posted by John Barron
The Mar-a-Lago Club
Member since Sep 2024
17101 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:03 am to
I am afraid it will be.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:06 am to
Posted by olemc999
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Member since Oct 2010
15077 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:09 am to
OP I think this has exceeded major brush fire level at this point.
Posted by Mr Breeze
The Lunatic Fringe
Member since Dec 2010
6666 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:11 am to
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I have a client that lives in Pacific Palisades. I hope they are ok. Beautiful area

One of my favorite neighborhoods in the L.A. area along with Santa Monica.

No one should wish L.A. burns just because it's Cali. That would be like them wishing we'd get a direct Cat 5 hit every year.

Hoping and praying for the best but doesn't look promising tonight. The video of the dozer pushing and crushing late model, expensive abandoned cars off the road to clear it was surreal.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:11 am to
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Is this going to be the worst fire disaster in history?


No. That would be the Peshtigo fire.

LINK

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The fire burned about 1.2 million acres (490,000 ha) and is the deadliest wildfire in recorded history,[1] with the number of deaths estimated between 1,500[1] and 2,500.[2] The exact number of deaths is debated. Data from mass graves, both those already exhumed and those still being discovered, show that the death toll of the blaze was most likely greater than the 1889 Johnstown flood[3] death toll of 2,200 people or more.[4]


The Great Chicago Fire, the same day as the Peshtigo fire interestingly, destroyed 17,000 buildings and left 100,000 people homeless.
This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 12:16 am
Posted by bcoop199
Kansas City, MISSOURI
Member since Nov 2013
8873 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:11 am to
I bet Biden gives financial support for this while people in North Carolina have been waiting forever.
Posted by Hodag
Northwoods
Member since Sep 2024
1083 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:13 am to
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this going to be the worst fire disaster in history?


Largest? No

Deadliest? Maybe

Most property damage? Likely

We are less than 12 hours in and it already looks like literal hell. Sadly there is nothing you can do to stop 80-100 mph winds.

Barring an act of God these people are fricked.
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