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Posted on 5/23/20 at 8:53 pm to tommy2tone1999
You will feel something...but not invasive.
Posted on 5/23/20 at 8:57 pm to yellowfin
I don’t have a problem with my balls shrinking. Not a fan of big hangy balls anyway.
Posted on 5/23/20 at 9:04 pm to RedShirt
Ok if prescribed and monitored by a legit endocrinologist. The problem is that all the money seeking family practice slapdicks have basically made “low T clinics” into the same thing that pain clinics were in the early 2000’s.
Posted on 5/23/20 at 9:23 pm to RLDSC FAN
Haha I should be, I had to do a year of hcg clomid and surgery for my third kid. First two kids was no issues. Then been on trt for 5+ years now and I don't do shite blindly, especially a lifelong decision.
Ok so if you think you have low t get a blood test then do the following steps:
Cut the alcohol, try the anabolic diet(similar to keto) and start lifting and exercise.
Take a blood test and see if both total and free test have improved. Free test is much more important than total. This should be compared to your age group, not just the range. Bring that up to your doctor.
After that, if levels are still low, still continue the above but suggest to your doc the baylor medical treatment or powerpct using the following
Hcg- 1000 to 3000 iu eod
Use of two selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERM nto to be confused with a sarm) in the form of clomid and nolvedex.
Clomid at 50-100mg a day
Nolvadex at 20-40mg a day
Hmg on opposite days of the hcg at 75iu can also be used to help.
After 12 weeks on this protocol get off and wait 2 weeks, have blood drawn and see where levels are.
The above can be very expensive if bought from local pharmacy, I used Empower compounding out of Houston and it literally saved me tens of thousands.
If that doesn't work and you really are out of range, then you need to really think hard about trt.
If you are just trying to get the wife pregnant
Hcg-3000iu eod
Clomid- 50mg a day
The above is what the best in the business will prescribe only turning to hmg if absolutely needed.
Btw if you have low t, your doc should be looking for a varicocele which is a collapsed vein in one of the testies and is usually associated with lower test levels and lower sperm.
FTR your levels can suddenly drop, see with sperm count. Getting hit in the nuts hard can do this too.
Ok so if you think you have low t get a blood test then do the following steps:
Cut the alcohol, try the anabolic diet(similar to keto) and start lifting and exercise.
Take a blood test and see if both total and free test have improved. Free test is much more important than total. This should be compared to your age group, not just the range. Bring that up to your doctor.
After that, if levels are still low, still continue the above but suggest to your doc the baylor medical treatment or powerpct using the following
Hcg- 1000 to 3000 iu eod
Use of two selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERM nto to be confused with a sarm) in the form of clomid and nolvedex.
Clomid at 50-100mg a day
Nolvadex at 20-40mg a day
Hmg on opposite days of the hcg at 75iu can also be used to help.
After 12 weeks on this protocol get off and wait 2 weeks, have blood drawn and see where levels are.
The above can be very expensive if bought from local pharmacy, I used Empower compounding out of Houston and it literally saved me tens of thousands.
If that doesn't work and you really are out of range, then you need to really think hard about trt.
If you are just trying to get the wife pregnant
Hcg-3000iu eod
Clomid- 50mg a day
The above is what the best in the business will prescribe only turning to hmg if absolutely needed.
Btw if you have low t, your doc should be looking for a varicocele which is a collapsed vein in one of the testies and is usually associated with lower test levels and lower sperm.
FTR your levels can suddenly drop, see with sperm count. Getting hit in the nuts hard can do this too.
Posted on 5/23/20 at 9:29 pm to Ric Flair
quote:
if prescribed and monitored by a legit endocrinologist. The problem is that all the money seeking family practice slapdicks have basically made “low T clinics” into the same thing that pain clinics were in the early 2000’s.
I see the opposite around here where local gp's will not even prescribe it. To me the issues are the non legit hormone clinics and those that go the black market route( can't blame them, much cheaper and easier)
I don't care what people use so long as they educate themselves. Most people do things much worse for their health pretty much daily than test Will ever be. But every time someone does something stupid the damn lawyers get involved then the dumbass congressman get involve and start making laws about things they know nothing about.
This post was edited on 5/23/20 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 5/23/20 at 9:30 pm to RedShirt
I was diagnosed with low T and deficiencies in B12 and D last month. I was going in because I just always felt so tired. I was prescribed ClomiPHENE daily to increase natural T. I was given OTC for the others. In my four-week checkup, my T went from a little under 400 to almost 800. I also am lifting and exercising more (due to time allowances these days). I now take the ClomiPHENE every other day.
This post was edited on 5/23/20 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 5/23/20 at 9:36 pm to rpg37
Be careful with the clomid long term, it can very much cause sides especially emotionally.
What were your free test levels as that much more important.
What were your free test levels as that much more important.
Posted on 5/23/20 at 9:37 pm to RedShirt
My 6 yo takes it with his adderall and growth hormone
Posted on 5/23/20 at 9:46 pm to RedShirt
Yes. I could write a book by now. Perhaps I should...
Key here is a lot of people are diagnosed with it for numerous reasons. Most having to do with diet, lack of sleep, and lack of movement.
Sleep is where the body rebuilds the testosterone levels. They decline throughout the day and are highest in the morning. Hence the morning wood. Believe it or not that's a good barometer of testosterone.
The big thing is not being diagnosed with it but WHY DO YOU HAVE IT?!!!
Figure that out first. Go to an endocrinologist and figure it out. Once you are on it long enough it's for life. If you have a biomechanical feedback issue then that's one thing.
If it's just your lifestyle fricking change it. It ain't worth it.
I've been on it for 13 years on and off to have kids (it kills the sperm count) due to a chemo type drugs I took absolutely wrecking my endocrine system (as well as my hair after it came out in clumps). I have no ability to regulate anymore.
Before you start with the Endo don't take anything. They will want you to be off o for 6 weeks to reset everything.
If you do take it do weekly at most. If you can split the dose in half and inject every three days.
After 4 days the test is gone out of your system you will have metabolised it. If you doctor says take the injection more than 7 days apart find a new fricking doctor.
Also watch for the estrogen spike. It does so about 12 hours after test injection. If you are super flabby / doughy you may over convert estrogen and use up all your injection aromatasing turning usable testosterone into estrogen doing you zero good.
In fact if you are flabby and doughy and out of shape I bet you estrogen is too high and you may can just take blocker stopping the estrogen conversion and getting you back into the good side of the testosterone ratio getting in better shape allowing you to stop hormones altogether.
Estrogen to test ratio is ideal around 20:1.
Check the forums out at tnation
Key here is a lot of people are diagnosed with it for numerous reasons. Most having to do with diet, lack of sleep, and lack of movement.
Sleep is where the body rebuilds the testosterone levels. They decline throughout the day and are highest in the morning. Hence the morning wood. Believe it or not that's a good barometer of testosterone.
The big thing is not being diagnosed with it but WHY DO YOU HAVE IT?!!!
Figure that out first. Go to an endocrinologist and figure it out. Once you are on it long enough it's for life. If you have a biomechanical feedback issue then that's one thing.
If it's just your lifestyle fricking change it. It ain't worth it.
I've been on it for 13 years on and off to have kids (it kills the sperm count) due to a chemo type drugs I took absolutely wrecking my endocrine system (as well as my hair after it came out in clumps). I have no ability to regulate anymore.
Before you start with the Endo don't take anything. They will want you to be off o for 6 weeks to reset everything.
If you do take it do weekly at most. If you can split the dose in half and inject every three days.
After 4 days the test is gone out of your system you will have metabolised it. If you doctor says take the injection more than 7 days apart find a new fricking doctor.
Also watch for the estrogen spike. It does so about 12 hours after test injection. If you are super flabby / doughy you may over convert estrogen and use up all your injection aromatasing turning usable testosterone into estrogen doing you zero good.
In fact if you are flabby and doughy and out of shape I bet you estrogen is too high and you may can just take blocker stopping the estrogen conversion and getting you back into the good side of the testosterone ratio getting in better shape allowing you to stop hormones altogether.
Estrogen to test ratio is ideal around 20:1.
Check the forums out at tnation
This post was edited on 5/23/20 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 5/23/20 at 9:50 pm to lsu777
quote:
Be careful with the clomid long term, it can very much cause sides especially emotionally.
I am unsure what she will have me do longterm. My T virtually doubled in a short time span. I went from daily to every other day and the volume was cut in half from 100 to 50 mcg. I go back in again in seven weeks to see if my numbers maintain on every other day. I suspect if so I will be weened off even more or cut entirely.
Posted on 5/23/20 at 10:06 pm to thejudge
quote:
After 4 days the test is gone out of your system you will have metabolised it.
That isn't true, the elimination half life is closer to seven days, but even if it was at the 4.5 that some studies claim, still have over half the dose in the system at the four day mark.
Everything else you said is pretty much correct.
Btw for clarification on what I posted above, staying on hcg and clomid for too long you can develop a negative feedback loop desensitizing yourself to LH.
For those worried about balls shrinking, low dose hcg corrects this.
If estrogen is a problem a low dose aromitize inhibitor (AI) will solve this.
Again free test is much more important than total test but for a male in the 30-45 year old range, you should normally be in 600-900 range optimally. That doesn't mean 500 or even 409 is low. Need to draw a couple times and make sure it wasn't and blip and it's a true trend and need to compare free test to your age group to see if you should even consider other measures.
Posted on 5/23/20 at 10:15 pm to RedShirt
I can’t say I can relate. I’m pushing forty and I cum 10x weekly or I’m a raging psycho.
Posted on 5/23/20 at 10:20 pm to RedShirt
quote:
Low T Therapy
Post this on the Low T board.
Oh wait, you did...
quote:
The (L)OT Lounge
Posted on 5/23/20 at 10:24 pm to Popths
quote:. JFC you’ll fit right in with this bunch of self-gelding puss nutted yuppie figs.
I don’t have a problem with my balls shrinking. Not a fan of big hangy balls anyway.
Posted on 5/23/20 at 10:48 pm to TheIndulger
quote:
damn
I appreciate your candidness
It was an adjustment period at first. But after many months of bitterness, coldness and avoidance, it’s my new normal!
Posted on 5/23/20 at 11:19 pm to RedShirt
It's available by deep muscular injection, creams, patches, or surgically implanted pellets. The injections are the most affordable route. The standard dosing is a 1/2 ml weekly injection of 200mg/ml Test Cyp. Don't go with a 1 ml injection every 2 weeks. By the end of the 2nd week your energy levels will be very low. A weekly injection allows for a more stabilized Test level. Don't get that see-saw effect.
One can roll onto their side, and inject themselves in the hip. Alternate hips each week. Use a 21 gauge syringe, and purchase extra needles. The liguid test cyp is an oil based product, so a larger needle size is warranted. Use one needle to draw up the solution, then place a new needle on the syringe to inject yourself. If you don't the needle will be dull, and will hurt like a SOB.
A 10 ml vial of 200mg/ml Test cyp at 1/2 ml per week will last you 5 months. 20 weekly injections per vial.
Read all you can on TRT by Dr. John Crisler.
LINK
LINK
One can roll onto their side, and inject themselves in the hip. Alternate hips each week. Use a 21 gauge syringe, and purchase extra needles. The liguid test cyp is an oil based product, so a larger needle size is warranted. Use one needle to draw up the solution, then place a new needle on the syringe to inject yourself. If you don't the needle will be dull, and will hurt like a SOB.
A 10 ml vial of 200mg/ml Test cyp at 1/2 ml per week will last you 5 months. 20 weekly injections per vial.
Read all you can on TRT by Dr. John Crisler.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 5/23/20 at 11:49 pm to RedShirt
I’ve had it. My energy is still low but I want to hump everything I see now.
Posted on 5/23/20 at 11:51 pm to DiamondDog
quote:
1000% better. It was worth it. I’m 34 so it’s unfortunate but diet and exercise help as well. I’m like a new person my wife says
What does Low T feel like?
I still wanna cum 5 days a week and have energy galore for house work and shite.
But I don't ever wanna be out at bars and clubs till 2am again. That sounds miserable and I'm too sleepy for that these days.
Would Testosterone therapy make me wanna do that shite like I'm 25 again? Don't want that if so.
This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 12:00 am
Posted on 5/24/20 at 12:01 am to mikelbr
Low energy, low strength, low sex drive, brain fog, possibly mood changes/depression
This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 12:03 am
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