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re: Louisiana guts net metering for Solar which kills the industry in Louisiana
Posted on 9/15/19 at 9:46 pm to fightin tigers
Posted on 9/15/19 at 9:46 pm to fightin tigers
Please tell me which option I mentioned was short term?
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Posted on 9/15/19 at 9:51 pm to Golfer
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Why should the utility be forced to buy electricity at retail rates from a supplier?
Why should the customer be paid less for the energy it produces than it pays for the energy it buys?
Posted on 9/15/19 at 9:51 pm to Oilfieldbiology
I mean, portability is laughable, unless you mean portability after dark, or into a cave. Sunlight is in more places than you can imagine.
Other than that you listed the limitations of solar and not the advantages of fossil.
I asked long term. Long term fossil is more expensive than solar. The front end of solar is so immense.
Other than that you listed the limitations of solar and not the advantages of fossil.
I asked long term. Long term fossil is more expensive than solar. The front end of solar is so immense.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 9:52 pm to Macavity92
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Why should the customer be paid less for the energy it produces than it pays for the energy it buys?
I thought Entergy (in this case) is being forced to buy the energy produced.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 9:54 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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With all this bullshite, the State of Louisiana was actually paying something like $12,000 of the $14,000 it would cost me to install solar panels on my house.
50% of $14,000 is $7000. That is what the state was paying to help people put solar on their roofs. Doing so helps the state because it eases pressure on the grid. Instead of that solar house drawing energy it is adding energy back to the grid. This is a positive, not a negative.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 9:56 pm to Macavity92
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Why should the customer be paid less for the energy it produces than it pays for the energy it buys?
You can’t be serious.
If I cut down a pine tree and mill it into 2x4s, Home Depot would buy it from me at retail?
You do understand Entergy, CLECO, DEMCO, etc all still have to operate in the black...right?
Posted on 9/15/19 at 9:57 pm to fightin tigers
A limitation of solar is an advantage for fossil fuels.
How are fossil fuels more expensive long term?
They don’t require scarce rare earth metas found predominantly outside the US’s geographic and geopolitical foot print, the majority of infrastructure is already in place around the world, not just the US, and just like solar technology, technology surrounding fossil fuels is improving every week
How are fossil fuels more expensive long term?
They don’t require scarce rare earth metas found predominantly outside the US’s geographic and geopolitical foot print, the majority of infrastructure is already in place around the world, not just the US, and just like solar technology, technology surrounding fossil fuels is improving every week
Posted on 9/15/19 at 10:02 pm to fightin tigers
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I thought Entergy (in this case) is being forced to buy the energy produced.
Utility companies are local monopolies. When you move into a house you do not have a choice. You have to buy from the one that serves the area you moved to.
In a net metering situation the utility is forced to “buy” the surplus energy produced from the customer at the same rate that the customer buys from the utility. It is a credit to the customer, not a purchase.
With Entergy no money changes hands. I know because I used to be in a net metering situation with Entergy. You get a credit against subsequent month’s bills. You never even have a $0 bill as you always have to pay Entergy’s customer service fee.
Solar in Louisiana works best in spring and fall. In winter there are not enough daylight hours. In summer the heat causes the panels to lose efficiency. So you bank credits in spring and fall and spend them in summer and winter.
The utilities come out ahead even in a net metering situation. If anything, this change in law will put more pressure on the grid by lowering the number of new installations compared to new construction. That is a loss for the state.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 10:03 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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They don’t require scarce rare earth metas found predominantly outside the US’s geographic and geopolitical foot prin
Until extremely recently the fossil fuels necessary were outside of this same footprint
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technology surrounding fossil fuels is improving every week
One is advancing like a ferrari and one advancing like a pinto.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 10:05 pm to fightin tigers
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One is advancing like a ferrari and one advancing like a pinto.
You sure about that hoss? While I know one is advancing faster, the other one has a 100 year head start.
I also want to add, I want sole to advance. The more and more technology we make can only allow for better competition and better products/services.
This post was edited on 9/15/19 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 9/15/19 at 10:08 pm to Golfer
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You do understand Entergy, CLECO, DEMCO, etc all still have to operate in the black...right?
What public service are you providing when you sell the 2x4’s to Home Depot? Can you try to sell them for more at Lowe’s or another lumber store? Sure. You can optimize your profit. But you cannot sell your electricity anywhere. You have to sell it to the monopoly that supplies you. It is not the same situation.
Do you really think net metering causes a meaningful loss of money to the utility? Seriously?
The customer should be subsidized in the same way that the utility is. The customer is easing pressure on the grid, which is a service to the state. The customer, after tax rebates at their best, had a 7-10 year ROI.
Given the number of solar installations in the state I would expect that the utilities see less than a 1% loss of profits from net metering. Houses simply cannot produce electricity on a grand enough scale to make a difference.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 10:08 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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You sure about that hoss?
Yes.
I understand you have a vested interest in one of the technologies, but we are soon to be dinosaurs (maybe 50-75 years). The people with money are starting to bet against our field and that is the writing on the wall.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 10:10 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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How are fossil fuels more expensive long term?
When you look long term enough fossil fuels become a dead industry. It is a finite resource.
If we do not pursue renewable energy at least as aggressively as our main economic foes at some point we will be seriously on the back foot and lose a huge competitive advantage. We are doing our best to throw away our competitive advantage in electric vehicles and this will cause a lot of hand wringing in the near future. From a strategic POV we need to stay competitive in the energy sector. It will cost us now but it will cost us more later.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 10:15 pm to Golfer
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If I cut down a pine tree and mill it into 2x4s, Home Depot would buy it from me at retail?
If you cut down a pine tree and mill it into 2x4s, but you need two more tree's worth of 2x4s, does it make sense for Home Depot to claim that they sold you three tree's worth, but bought back one tree's worth from you, so they should be able to buy that one tree's worth back from you at lower than retail, in effect making you pay higher than retail for the two tree's worth that they actually delivered to your jobsite and stacked next to the one tree's worth that never left the site?
This post was edited on 9/15/19 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 9/15/19 at 10:17 pm to TigerstuckinMS
Well, that isn’t how net metering works. 
Posted on 9/15/19 at 10:18 pm to Obtuse1
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. We are doing our best to throw away our competitive advantage in electric vehicles
China is making some unbelieveable electric vehicles that I have never even heard of.
Private inestment knows where the future is at and is doubling down in the US.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 10:19 pm to TigerstuckinMS
It would be more like you are asking Home Depot to pick your 2x4s up and bring it to their stores at no cost to you. You make the 2x4 and get it to retail, but don't bear any of the cost of getting it to market.
This post was edited on 9/15/19 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 9/15/19 at 10:20 pm to fightin tigers
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It would be more like you are asking Home Depot to pick your 2x4s up and bring it to their stores at no cost to you. You make the 2x4 and get it to retail, but don't bear any of the cost of getting it to market.
Now, THAT argument holds water.
What if I can't ever produce enough 2x4's to meet my needs, and just reduce how much I need from Home Depot? Does Home Depot just charge me regular price for the 2x4s I do need from them in that instance?
This post was edited on 9/15/19 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 9/15/19 at 10:21 pm to Macavity92
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This post was edited on 3/7/21 at 10:02 am
Posted on 9/15/19 at 10:21 pm to Golfer
We've had solar since 2013, and the best we've ever done is return about 1/3 of the kilowatts my house used to the grid. Still makes for a decent bill discount although we use a lot more now that we have 4 kids instead of 1. The amount home solar hits the bottom line of utilities is tiny at best. What's different about the kilowatt I produce from the kilowatt they produce? At least I'll be grandfathered in the original net-metering system for 15 more years.
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