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re: Louisiana chemical plant threatens to shut down if EPA emissions deadline isn’t relaxed

Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:49 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296514 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:49 am to
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The company has been at the center of a broader fight over environmental rules and racism


Posted by double d
Amarillo by morning
Member since Jun 2004
17058 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:52 am to
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How on earth did they spin this into a race issue


Environmental Racism, the new hot topic with Anti-Industry groups. All the laws and rules industry has to follow only protects White People in their minds.
Posted by Gee Grenouille
Bogalusa
Member since Jul 2018
7570 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 12:08 pm to
The OT is a bit two faced on this issue. On one hand, Bogalusa's main problem, before it became a crime infested shithole with a Marxist for a mayor, was the papermill. Now it's both. Considering Bogalusa's proximity to St Tammany, how much better off would Bogalusa have been if they told the mill kick rocks 25 years ago and billed itself as a cheap residential community? 25 years ago people were still fixing up the old houses in town and raising a family there. Now it's just rent houses and section 8.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27488 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 12:24 pm to
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It doesn't matter, though, because the city attempted to shift all the blame to the plants, or at least the few that were still in operation (you likely know their names). The city claimed it had no idea such as that was thrown into that dump for decades. And today, the litigation still rolls on.


I have a feeling this type of frickery is only going to increase. And of course, the local media in such towns/cities will never tell the full story with the necessary historical facts.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27488 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 12:27 pm to
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She and they won’t be saying that in a few years, whenever Reserve turns into an even bigger shithole than it already is.


She won’t care about the lost jobs. She and her family is likely being paid by the funders of these NGOs causing all this mess.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12643 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 12:27 pm to
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The OT is a bit two faced on this issue. On one hand, Bogalusa's main problem, before it became a crime infested shithole with a Marxist for a mayor, was the papermill. Now it's both. Considering Bogalusa's proximity to St Tammany, how much better off would Bogalusa have been if they told the mill kick rocks 25 years ago and billed itself as a cheap residential community? 25 years ago people were still fixing up the old houses in town and raising a family there. Now it's just rent houses and section 8.

Bogalusa would still be a shithole, just a shithole with a smaller population.

The city owes its entire existence to industry. It was founded by a lumber company and built around a sawmill. Those people “fixing up old houses” 25 years ago were doing so because they either worked at the paper mill or had jobs elsewhere in the local economy which was propped up by.. the paper mill.

The fact that it’s kind of close to St. Tammany doesn’t mean it would be Mandeville if not for the paper mill.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138109 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 12:29 pm to
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She won’t care about the lost jobs. She and her family is likely being paid by the funders of these NGOs causing all this mess.

These people are no different than the ambulance chasers. They destroy places and industries for a quick buck and leave the rest of the public to pay for their greed.

That being said, these companies absolutely have a responsibility to clean up after themselves but we have to find rational ways to balance the two.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27488 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 12:32 pm to
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That being said, these companies absolutely have a responsibility to clean up after themselves but we have to find rational ways to balance the two.


Completely agree.
Posted by Tempratt
Member since Oct 2013
14919 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 12:43 pm to
That's all part of it. Put them out of business and render several unemployed.
Then they'll be at the mercy of the gubmint.
Posted by Born to be a Tiger1
Somewhere lost in Texas
Member since Jan 2018
827 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 12:53 pm to
This plant use to be the DuPont Neoprene plant. DuPont also makes Kevlar on that site. DuPont sold the Neoprene plant to Denka because Neoprene has a low profit margin compared to making Kevlar for the MIC. My theory is that Denka bought the Neoprene business with a long term lease and DuPont can't get Denka off of the property. Remember DuPont was the original polluter and Denka has reduced the emissions by 80% of what DuPont was emitting. But that isn't enough for the EPA who is helping DuPont get out of the long-term lease by shutting down the Neoprene plant for environmental issues. Once the plant is shut down DuPont will have more land available to build more capacity for Kevlar production. One other note, if this plane shuts down there will not be another polychlorprene (Neoprene) plant in the Americas (north, central and south). You can expect any product that uses polychlorprene to skyrocket and in time of war the US will be SOL.
Posted by Dicky
Member since Jun 2017
598 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 2:33 pm to
Really respect the thought put into this theory

The reality is—If Denka shuts down, DuPont will 100% go down with the ship as well. Not sure the media and community realize this. The loss of jobs would be double what they think it would be.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12643 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 2:52 pm to
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The reality is—If Denka shuts down, DuPont will 100% go down with the ship as well. Not sure the media and community realize this. The loss of jobs would be double what they think it would be.

Is that because of feedstock coming from Denka or something?
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
130420 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 2:52 pm to
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She and they won’t be saying that in a few years, whenever Reserve turns into an even bigger shithole than it already is.

It’s not like the plants have translated into much population growth for the area, so shouldn’t be a huge deal for this one to leave.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40216 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 3:22 pm to
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That's all part of it. Put them out of business and render several unemployed. Then they'll be at the mercy of the gubmint.


Approximately 0 percent of the locals work at the plant. Anyone working at the plant is paid enough to not live that close.

The local neighbors have been on the government tit for generations. Dirt poor with nowhere to go.

Give the plant the two years to upgrade.
Posted by CR4090
Member since Apr 2023
8182 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 3:54 pm to
LOL. They don't want jobs. Just want to complain, and wait on that check.
Posted by cfish140
BR
Member since Aug 2007
8731 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 4:51 pm to
Damn an operator I work with just left to go there. About to send this to him
Posted by Dicky
Member since Jun 2017
598 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 6:16 pm to
It’s mostly because of shared utilities at the site between the two companies. Nitrogen, natural gas, steam, river water…

DuPont provides most of this because the equipment was meant to run at that efficiency anyways. Denka foots the bill for their usage.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112560 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 6:38 pm to
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Ms. Livigne


I bet her income won't be effected by a shutdown
Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
15262 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 6:46 pm to
don't worry, they can make the same stuff in china without any environmental regulations at 1/2 the price and we can import it

those 250 people don't need those jobs
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85869 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 6:57 pm to
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That doesn’t absolve Denka (or any of the other manufacturers) of their responsibility to be good stewards of the environment, of course. I have no idea whether the EPA deadline is reasonable in this case, but there has been scrutiny over emissions at that Denka site for years now. At first glance 90 days looks absurd but I think there’s probably more to the story.



I thought this was more they will be shutdown in the years to come so their response would be, let’s shutdown now then. See the heads spin and backtrack, well you can’t do it tomorrow.

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