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re: Looting and arson breaks out in Minneapolis after protests turn violent

Posted on 5/28/20 at 4:14 pm to
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73172 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 4:14 pm to
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Who is treating whom a certain way?????
Korkstand's view is that the problems facing blacks in America are 100% caused by "the system working against them".

He doesn't believe that, in current circumstances, black people should even try to advance themselves, as it is a hopeless endeavor against the oppressive system.

Thomas Sowell said it beautifully here.
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The civil-rights movement in 20th-century America attracted many people who put everything on the line for the sake of fighting against racial oppression. But the eventual success of that movement attracted opportunists and even turned some idealists into opportunists.

Over the generations, black leaders have ranged from noble souls to shameless charlatans. After the success of the civil-rights insurgency, the latter have come into their own, gaining money, power, and fame by promoting racial attitudes and actions that are counterproductive to the interests of those they lead.

None of this is unique to blacks or to the United States. In various countries and times, leaders of groups that lagged behind, economically and educationally, have taught their followers to blame all their problems on other people — and to hate those other people.

Groups that rose from poverty to prosperity seldom did so by having their own racial or ethnic leaders to follow. While most Americans can easily name a number of black leaders, current or past, how many can name Asian-American ethnic leaders or Jewish ethnic leaders?

The time is long overdue to stop looking for progress through racial or ethnic leaders. Such leaders have too many incentives to promote polarizing attitudes and actions that are counterproductive for minorities and disastrous for the country.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29045 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 4:14 pm to
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The problem is, you are picking a fight with an entity (the system) you have no chance with.

You need allies.

Burning down businesses and schools dont net you those allies.
Looks to me like they have long had an extremely powerful ally in "the media". How is that working out?
Posted by Furious Styles
Twin cities
Member since Apr 2019
20 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 4:15 pm to
National guard activated just now...the riots bled over into St Paul. It's crazy up here
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 4:16 pm to
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This post was edited on 11/10/23 at 3:54 am
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42961 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 4:16 pm to
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Looks to me like they have long had an extremely powerful ally in "the media". How is that working out?


That requires people to actually believe the media is credible.

Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
58889 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 4:17 pm to
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National guard activated just now


Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216133 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 4:17 pm to
Ive had CNN on now for over 15 mins and they wont go there to show the people doing all this crap.... I wonder why?????????????????????
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29045 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 4:17 pm to
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you claim no law could change this, and then you claim they are being "ignored". but how would you define them being ignored as opposed to listened to, if laws wouldn't work?
Because it's not a legal issue! It's a bunch of cultural issues clashing. Laws can sort out the details of individual cases and ensuring justice there, but it's bigger than that. And it's less black and white than that.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85990 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 4:18 pm to
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There's nothing in your statement I disagree with.

The Twitterati is trying to build this up as some revolution akin to The American Revolution.

The AA population is right around 18% (I need to fact check that). A race war is not what's best for America obviously. We need to figure this shite out.


Yeah and to be clear I'm not disagreeing with you either, I just think there are a lot of forces in these movements that are very intentionally obstructing the type of progress we're talking about (rather than idiots just getting in their own way).
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25845 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 4:18 pm to
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Looks to me like they have long had an extremely powerful ally in "the media". How is that working out?


The current media aren't their allies. The media are third party "observers" trying to drive ratings to make a buck.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29045 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 4:18 pm to
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i know cops who have been nearly killed on duty by criminal assholes. does that give me a right to go loot and seek vengeance on any thug looking person on the street?
Nope, I never said anyone has a right to loot, or that they are justified in looting or seeking vengeance. I have only said that it is understandable.
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
77136 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 4:18 pm to
I’m thinking more arson and riots are coming to a city near you soon. The unraveling of the social fabric
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42961 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 4:19 pm to
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I’m thinking more arson and riots are coming to a city near you soon. The unraveling of the social fabric



Nope.

shite about to get real.

You know this.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29045 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 4:20 pm to
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OK... So the next time a white person is killed by a black person, the people have the right to be pissed and destroy stuff??????
Right to be pissed? Sure. Right to destroy stuff? No. And neither do these rioters.

But it is understandable. And the only way to mitigate some of this stuff in the future is if more of us try to understand.
Posted by DomincDecoco
RIP Ronnie fights Thoth’s loafers
Member since Oct 2018
11684 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 4:21 pm to
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But I also don't have a lifetime of pent up anger.


so, if I understand you correctly:

you understand why looter and rioters in Minn are are reacting the way they re because this is the same old story and nothing is changing and they are angry.

quote:

I have only said that it is understandable.


Just want to be clear and bookmark this for the next time the religion of peace strikes yet again.
This post was edited on 5/28/20 at 4:23 pm
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216133 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 4:22 pm to
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. I have only said that it is understandable.



And you are SOOOOOOOOOWRONG here...….


Rules of life.. Don't mess with someone elses shite...…………. Its NOT yours.....


The way you keep sounding is that its ok to destroy things to get what you want just because you are pissed off that someone you never knew or will ever know has been killed.....
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29045 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 4:23 pm to
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You have something pent up your a-hole dumbass


I mostly just enjoy stirring up shite, but I'm trying to do it in a sensible way!

We can not condone behavior and understand it at the same time. What is so outlandish about that?



Btw thanks again for the mac mini.
This post was edited on 5/28/20 at 4:35 pm
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 4:26 pm to
It's about to get interesting

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Jack Posobiec Retweeted
Andy Ngô
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The National Guard has been activated in Minnesota.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42961 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 4:28 pm to
This guy hollering about they taking the city on this FB Live, gonna see real conflict and strife when the National Guard comes.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29045 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 4:30 pm to
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Oh please enlighten me then.
Well, people are destroying their own community right now, and you'd rather believe it's due to widespread idiocy rather than a legit source of anger.
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