re: Longest range EV will end up being a full sized pickup truck: 450 miles

What happens to the range if you are driving through mountains for long periods of times? Are these driving tests performed on a flat track or through actual varying terrain.

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You'll hear no complaints from me if they create a practical EV

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Your ev won't start or charge today due to carbon something. Anyway, delete your tweets and pay your green tax and you can drive to get your plant based protein meals.

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Yours for only $100,000

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It’s probably about $80k. But yeah. More than the average price of vehicles now.

Trucks seem to fit larger batteries that can net more range. But the issue is that the batter cell weight required essentially a 1 ton truck chassis to support, and the massive batteries take a lot of energy to charge.

Sure they can rapid charge in less than 20 min on some public chargers, but it still consumes more energy than a Tesla Model 3. Which means more burnt coal and natural gas at your local power station. You can’t get around the mass problem and still have a useful truck. Trucks consume a lot of energy - electric gas or diesel.

And energy prices are going to go up. That’s probably by design.

FYI my Toyota truck’s range drops in half when towing our 5,000 lb trailer on the highway. Even more in city driving. And that is a gas truck.

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These threads always bring out the weirdest posts. "Well what if my entire family is riding with me while hauling a camper through the mountains with the AC on max and heated seats at the highest temp? I'll never buy one" For people who commute to and from work and need to bring home a sheet of plywood every now and then, this will be more than adequate. If that's not you, then this isn't made for you.

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These same people are waiting months to pay over sticker for a TRDPro 4runner or Tacoma.

They’ve never been offroad before and certainly aren’t going to take their brand new 65k midsize truck offroad either.


But goddamnit they need that TRDPro.

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you’re buying a truck, you want to be able to tow when you need to.

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Let’s be honest for a second. At least 7 out of 10 pickup trucks you see on the roads today are racing like they are at Daytona and towing nothing.

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Point still stands. You should be able to know the range when towing on a vehicle you buy.

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You don’t know that range now with ICE vehicles at the time of purchase. The EPA fuel economy numbers and thus fuel range are not calculated by testing it with a trailer in tow. Hell they don’t even turn on the air conditioner for those tests. The numbers posted by the manufacturers on the monroney sticker are city-highway mileage estimates under ideal circumstances with only a few variables - none of which include a trailer.

Why apply a different standard to electric vehicles from ICE?

My gas truck gets about half the mileage and thus half the range while towing. That wasn’t on the sticker. I had no expectation that mileage or range wouldn’t be impacted when towing a trailer. Because adding several tons of weight behind a vehicle and expecting it to behave the same is not reasonable.

And only takes <5 minutes to fill a gas tank.

Can’t wait for full circle.

You see an electric pickup driving with a purchased optional “accessory” engine charging station in the bed of pickup - with a cable running to battery recharging as it drives. Will require gas tank to run it so will need to stop as gas station for fuel for onboard charging station.

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I mean. We have no way of knowing that.

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There’s data on this:

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According to Edwards’ data, 75 percent of truck owners use their truck for towing one time a year or less (meaning, never). Nearly 70 percent of truck owners go off-road one time a year or less. And a full 35 percent of truck owners use their truck for hauling—putting something in the bed, its ostensible raison d’être—once a year or less.

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This article is 99% dumb but the data is from Edwards.