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re: Long term outcomes of LEO disrespect
Posted on 7/25/20 at 9:48 am to SCLibertarian
Posted on 7/25/20 at 9:48 am to SCLibertarian
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Don't just blame them.
Oh believe me, I don't
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Posted on 7/25/20 at 9:48 am to RealDawg
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And last I checked, the majority of the officers who have committed a public crime were held accountable by our justice system. THAT is the responsibility.
Contrary to this, the vast majority are shielded by the thin blue line. In just the past couple weeks I’ve read about 2 officers being fired for reporting the thugs wearing badges who were killing, framing, and extorting citizens.
This post was edited on 7/25/20 at 9:49 am
Posted on 7/25/20 at 9:49 am to lionward2014
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Without going find many examples, here is one that had a 10 page thread on the OT LINK.
And I stand for the investigation and full prosecution of everyone involved.
How many cops were in on it?
How many weren't?
Do you blame 800,000 cops who weren't?
No. You go after the ones involved.
I condemn bad cops and bad policing.
But you dont throw out the good with the bad. Life doesnt work that way.
Imagine a life with no lawyers, no doctors, no teachers, and no cops. Civilization would be going backwards.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 9:52 am to Joshjrn
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If you're talking about attorneys reporting opposing counsel, that's a different animal entirely and has jack shite nothing to do with their ethical duties
I'm talking about libel, slander, defamation.
Making accusations based on things you know can backfire if there isnt evidence to support at the time of the accusation.
This is rudimentary. Like I said, asking for more than this is asking for Marxist witch trials.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 9:52 am to Joshjrn
Do y'all elect judges there or are they appointed?
Posted on 7/25/20 at 9:57 am to meansonny
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I'm talking about libel, slander, defamation.
Making accusations based on things you know can backfire if there isnt evidence to support at the time of the accusation.
This is rudimentary. Like I said, asking for more than this is asking for Marxist witch trials.
I've practiced for nearly a decade. I have never, not once, heard of an attorney being sued for reporting another attorney to the ODC.
If you've got examples, I would be curious to hear them.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 9:57 am to SCLibertarian
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Do y'all elect judges there or are they appointed?
Elect.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 10:02 am to Joshjrn
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I've practiced for nearly a decade. I have never, not once, heard of an attorney being sued for reporting another attorney to the ODC.
If you've got examples, I would be curious to hear them.
I'm not in the attorney world. I dont.
I do have examples of rudimentary attorney commercials where the publishing attorney was sued.
Let me rephrase the question.
How many times are attorneys and judges brought before the ODC in a year.
How many individual incidences in a year should they be brought in?
In your opinion, is the correlative percentage 100%?
If the attorneys who are brought before the ODC are responsible for 90% of the infractions that go unreported, what took so long in getting them reported?
Posted on 7/25/20 at 10:07 am to meansonny
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I'm not in the attorney world. I dont.
I do have examples of rudimentary attorney commercials where the publishing attorney was sued.
Reporting someone to a disciplinary counsel and running a commercial aren't even remotely comparable.
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Let me rephrase the question.
How many times are attorneys and judges brought before the ODC in a year.
How many individual incidences in a year should they be brought in?
No clue. It does seem as though there are at least a half dozen or so attorneys named in the ODC's monthly Nota Bene email, though.
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In your opinion, is the correlative percentage 100%?
If the attorneys who are brought before the ODC are responsible for 90% of the infractions that go unreported, what took so long in getting them reported?
I actually have no idea what you're asking here. But, based on a hunch, I'll say that the overwhelming majority of ODC complaints come from clients, not from other attorneys, because it's extremely rare that other attorneys are privy to the ethics violation. Unlike police officers, attorneys generally aren't staring at others attorneys while they commit ethics violations.
This post was edited on 7/25/20 at 10:09 am
Posted on 7/25/20 at 10:11 am to Joshjrn
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actually have no idea what you're asking here. But, based on a hunch, I'll say that the overwhelming majority of ODC complaints come from clients, not from other attorneys, because it's extremely rare that other attorneys are privy to the ethics violation. Unlike police officers, attorneys generally aren't staring at others attorneys while they commit ethics violations
Do you think citizen complaints would be a better metric than cops risking their careers turning in other cops based upon opinions and hearsay?
You seem to be under the impression that there are 800000 arresting officers on each call.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 10:12 am to Joshjrn
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Unlike police officers, attorneys generally aren't staring at others attorneys while they commit ethics violations.
Have you ever been on a ride along?
Posted on 7/25/20 at 10:13 am to Joshjrn
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Reporting someone to a disciplinary counsel and running a commercial aren't even remotely comparable
That is a great response to someone not in the world of attorneys.
Any chance that your opinion of bad cops is because you aren't in their world and you have assumptions which are not the norm?
Posted on 7/25/20 at 10:15 am to meansonny
Just a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch.... but nothing to worry about folks.
This post was edited on 7/25/20 at 10:16 am
Posted on 7/25/20 at 10:16 am to meansonny
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Do you think citizen complaints would be a better metric than cops risking their careers turning in other cops based upon opinions and hearsay?
You seem to be under the impression that there are 800000 arresting officers on each call.
I don't think think they are mutually exclusive. Citizens should report bad cops; good cops should report bad cops.
And based on the hundreds of hours of BWC footage I've watched, and the thousands of initial offense reports I've read, a single officer responding to anything other than the most minor of routine of calls is the exception, not the rule.
This post was edited on 7/25/20 at 10:19 am
Posted on 7/25/20 at 10:16 am to meansonny
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Have you ever been on a ride along?
I have not. I don't believe the optics would be appropriate.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 10:18 am to meansonny
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That is a great response to someone not in the world of attorneys.
Any chance that your opinion of bad cops is because you aren't in their world and you have assumptions which are not the norm?
One needs to be in the "world of attorneys" to draw a distinction between a private complaint to the official disciplinary body of a profession and running an advertisement in print or video media?
Posted on 7/25/20 at 10:24 am to LSUAngelHere1
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Just a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch
The thing is, unlike nearly any other profession, police can impact the loss of life, liberty, or property. They should be held to an extremely high standard, and disciplined harshly for deviations of that standard.
A few bad apples has completely spoiled the bunch for police, but it’s mainly because the thin blue line stigmatizes speaking out from the officer side and the amount of civilian propaganda defending police polarizes everyone else.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 10:25 am to Joshjrn
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Attorneys have an affirmative duty to report the misconduct of other attorneys:
On a percentage basis, do you think there is markedly less shitty attorneys than shitty police?
This post was edited on 7/25/20 at 10:26 am
Posted on 7/25/20 at 10:28 am to Y.A. Tittle
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On a percentage basis, do you think there is markedly less shitty attorneys than shitty police?
Define "shitty"?
I'm not trying to be clever. Do you mean "bad at their jobs", or "routinely take actions that violate their respective codes of conduct"?
Posted on 7/25/20 at 10:29 am to Joshjrn
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I actually have no idea what you're asking here. But, based on a hunch, I'll say that the overwhelming majority of ODC complaints come from clients, not from other attorneys, because it's extremely rare that other attorneys are privy to the ethics violation. Unlike police officers, attorneys generally aren't staring at others attorneys while they commit ethics violations.
The legal industry will be the first thing nationalized when the socialism sets take over. Justice depends on how much representation you can afford.
Pretty easy to argue that more innocents are in prison due to bad attorneys than bad cops.
This post was edited on 7/25/20 at 10:31 am
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