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re: Little League baseball parent sunk to an all-time low

Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:26 am to
Posted by rrboy
USA
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:26 am to
It gets worse. I've coached on and off through the years baseball and football. The fun is just beginning
Posted by nc14
La Jolla
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:26 am to
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Is travel ball just a team that plays tournaments instead of being in a league?


It's a chance to play a more competitive level than your rec leagues. The poster you responded to is correct on the parenting part of it though. Travel offers more practice and games too.
Posted by Patrick_Bateman
Member since Jan 2012
17823 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:27 am to
Is Ben actually Lavar?
Posted by goldennugget
NIL Ruined College Sports
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:29 am to
quote:

Is travel ball just a team that plays tournaments instead of being in a league?



When I was a kid pretty much everyone played in the rec league. Most years we had 16 teams so it was a big league. The best kids at the end of the season would be put on 2 or 3 all star teams. Those teams would play in the summer and play in tournaments.

But as I got older more kids started to get put on select teams. But most of us had parents who couldnt afford that so we had to still play in the rec league. Of course those boys who played select were arrogant and acted like they were better. Yet I and others would play on those all star teams in the summer from the rec league and we would play these select teams in tournaments and beat them more often than not

Then come 9th grade for freshman baseball tryouts it was heated. 18 spots. Basically kids north of 183 played select, those south were poor and couldn't. Yet the roster makeup was 12 kids who played rec league, and 6 who played travel ball. We had kids who played travel ball for years not make it and their kids throw a fit.

Some of the best players at my high school never played an inning of travel ball. And got scholarships to big schools.

Fact of the matter is if you have baseball talent you will have baseball talent regardless of whether you play select or rec league. And just because you play select travel ball doesn't mean you will be good.
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
41694 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:31 am to
So the same as club soccer. We pay for the facilities to train and the tournament fees, or the ref fees for friendlies. Another club in town pays the coaches, but ours doesn't. My son loves it. Guest played yesterday.
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:32 am to
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It's a chance to play a more competitive level than your rec leagues. The poster you responded to is correct on the parenting part of it though. Travel offers more practice and games too.



At what expense though. Most experience I have with kids whose parents forced them to play travel ball all year end up hating it and quitting in high school or even before them. Hardly any actually play beyond high school

My dad was as hands-off as it got. Yet I probably had more athletic success than 99% of kids whose dads did push them. My dad never pushed me even though he played both football and baseball in college and played minor league ball as a pitcher. I think because he was so hands off I actually enjoyed it and pushed myself to get better. I was always in the back yard hitting balls off a tee or throwing pitches into the pitchback. And if I asked my dad if he could help me with my pitching or play catch or sign me up for hitting lessons he would gladly do so but only if I asked.

Parents need to be more hands off IMO. Stop micro managing your kids sports life and think that if you push him so hard he will be a big leaguer. The key to a kid truly improving is having him enjoy it so much that he wants to get better
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41657 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:34 am to
If you could play on a travel team starting at say 11 years old and played 35-40 games a year with legit coaching, it could certainly be a benefit to a player's development.

But, what usually happens is:

1) Too many games are played, resulting in fatigue, burnout, and injury
2) The travel team coaches think they are good, but actually suck, and in the process, destroy all of the kid's natural ability by actually teaching the kids bad habits

Pitching at 9-10 sucks no matter what level you play at, and the coach-pitch travel ball teams are absolutely hysterical in how stupid of an idea that is.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70176 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:35 am to
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So the same as club soccer.


not sure. I have friends that coach and others with kids on travel teams. The organizations that put on the tournaments are making bank...they rarely cancel games for weather just to collect admissions. I have heard a lot more bad things than good. Of course every parent I know with a son on a travel team thinks they will make the majors one day.

The oddest thing is these parents are willing to waste a whole weekend in some podunk place and get home at midnight sunday...my parents would have never been down for that
Posted by CajunAlum Tiger Fan
The Great State of Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
8056 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:37 am to
quote:

Fact of the matter is if you have baseball talent you will have baseball talent regardless of whether you play select or rec league. And just because you play select travel ball doesn't mean you will be good.


quote:

But as I got older more kids started to get put on select teams. But most of us had parents who couldnt afford that so we had to still play in the rec league. Of course those boys who played select were arrogant and acted like they were better. Yet I and others would play on those all star teams in the summer from the rec league and we would play these select teams in tournaments and beat them more often than not




Being a rec league all star is a bigger accomplishment for a kid than being on a travel team. At least they do something to earn it.





Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
42405 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:37 am to
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The dad said, well, we will play but only for Coach T because he's a good friend. So Ben was nice and said he wants players who want to play for him so he would trade with Coach T.


thats nothing.....happens all the time.....youth sports can be horrible.
Posted by goldennugget
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Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:38 am to
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Pitching at 9-10 sucks no matter what level you play at, and the coach-pitch travel ball teams are absolutely hysterical in how stupid of an idea that is.



Both make me laugh

I get why travel ball leagues exist at age 11-12, I truly do, I think its retarded, but I understand why the demand is there

But anything before that is stupid.

Kids have short attention spans. If you make them do something too much they will just view it as a chore.

For me it was simple growing up

Football in the fall.

Basketball in the winter.

Baseball in the spring.

If I wanted to, I'd play on the all star team in the summer. I did most years but one year I didn't because we had a big vacation planned.
Posted by nc14
La Jolla
Member since Jan 2012
28193 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:38 am to
We were lucky enough to be part of a core group from basically two schools that loved playing baseball. Never recruited and still were competitive with the East Cobbs and Chet Lemon groups. Fun times that way and we didn't pay big join up fees or for coaches.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
70128 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:39 am to
I don't remember a draft when I was that age
Posted by goldennugget
NIL Ruined College Sports
Member since Jul 2013
26376 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:40 am to
quote:

Being a rec league all star is a bigger accomplishment for a kid than being on a travel team. At least they do something to earn it.



When I was a kid playing on a select team meant you had to pay a hefty fee just to try out, so generally parents had to know their kid was good before even letting them try out.

These days apparently all you have to do is know the coach and sign up and you get the hat and sunglasses and uniforms and bags and all that for a hefty fee.

My best friend from high school coaches a travel ball team and I would go to his games occassionally when I still lived in Texas. Most of the teams they played were garbage. Even my friend's team wasn't that good.

There was a time where select/travel ball actually meant you had to be worth a shite, but now its saturated and no different from rec leagues.
Posted by goldennugget
NIL Ruined College Sports
Member since Jul 2013
26376 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:42 am to
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I don't remember a draft when I was that age



I actually had the same scenario happen to me in 5th grade.

My best friend's dad was coaching a team in our rec league and was going to draft me. Problem is he had the 3rd pick. I got drafted 1st and got put on the team of some guy I didn't know. But guess what, my parents didn't bitch about it, I was disappointed but got over it and played on that new team and made new friends in the process.
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
41694 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:49 am to
We play some really good teams in those tournaments. I think it's good for my son to see the very best kids his age. Those are your competition and you see how well they are being coached. It's at least good information for a kid looking to be the best. The best teams in MS, LA, and AL can really bring it...it's almost shocking how good some of them are. I think it's important for my son to stand toe to toe to them no matter how outmatched your team is.
Posted by SPEEDY
2005 Tiger Smack Poster of the Year
Member since Dec 2003
88373 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:49 am to
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So Ben was nice and said he wants players who want to play for him so he would trade with Coach T.



Hopefully Ben also got that dude's 3rd, 4th, and 5th round pick to move down one spot

Posted by ehidal1
Chief Boot Knocka
Member since Dec 2007
37339 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:53 am to
Little league? Your friend sounds like a douche for not trading earlier. I mean, frick it's rec ball. Not like it's a long term tourney team.
Posted by Geauxtiga
No man's land
Member since Jan 2008
34401 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:55 am to
At the end of the day, all that matters is that they make good grades and are happy. I wish I would have realized that before my oldest was finished playing. I did a much better job with perspective on my second.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70176 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:59 am to
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I think it's good for my son to see the very best kids his age.


there is no doubt in my mind if you want your son to compete against the best this is the way to go. I just don't agree with all aspects of it. When I was growing up we practiced way more than we played. I think some of these travel teams only have 1 practice a week. Of course some play 4-8 games a week while we only played twice a week with an occasional weekend tournament.
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