re: Letter to the Reveille: LSU Greeks should have 'Day of disobedience on game day.'

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Maybe they should just boycott the game and instead go party at Fred's and bogies

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So like every Saturday in Tiger Stadium then.

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Every Fraternity has a Membership Quality Board and they have been very effective in correcting deficiencies.

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Uh, a kid died. That is slightly more than a "deficiency".

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Yeah I get it the kid died, prayers up homie. Mainly due to extreme negligence and those responsible will have their day in court and get their just punishments. This wasn't a Greek Culture thing that did it to him.

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I want to believe you, but that is a very hard sell right now. Good luck with that.

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trampling on the constitutional rights of innocent Greek member students without due process by LSU President F. King Alexander,

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That's a beautiful showing of ignorance and dishonesty. Are members of fraternities so far removed from reality and so insulated in their Sperry-polo bubbles that they believe tailgating and frat houses are constitutional rights?

Go buy a house off campus on private land and house your fraternities there. Do whatever you want on your own private property.

The fact of the matter is one of these organizations killed someone. And it isn't the first time. They routinely cause harm and bodily injury. Now the students who choose to participate have every right to indulge themselves in the obnoxious harmful behaviors and excessive nonsense that goes hand in hand with Greek life, but they should also be willing to accept the consequences when those actions get out of hand.

All LSU has done so far is what? Suspend Greek activity for a week and reform some tailgating rules specifically applied to the main tailgating area?

The Greek system saw a student die. And a very public fight which just represents the plethora of fights seen weekly before games. There's no reasons to condone or defend that violence.

I also find it comical that so many of you are crying "these tailgate reforms have nothing to do with the dead student!". This is true, but they do have to do with the violence caught on camera.

Also, the law says you can't drink until you're 21. Most ignore it, I did myself, but to attack the university for trying to curb underage drinking is choosing to be ignorant. A choice I can't understand.

"Trampling the constitutional rights of innocent Greek member students?" Give me a break.

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I want to believe you, but that is a very hard sell right now. Good luck with that.

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Won't need luck baw.

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Nevertheless, the United States Supreme Court held in NAACP v. Alabama (1958) that freedom of association is an essential part of freedom of speech because, in many cases, people can engage in effective speech only when they join with others.[3]

You can lookup the decision on Wiki and then the references.

Their constitutional rights were violated, too bad you don't give a shite.

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I highly doubt you'd be successful arguing that fraternities pass the "intimate association" or "expressive organization" test. Fraternities just don't tend to fit the tests for establishing freedom of association claims.

The degree of state interference would be considered to be limited, as it doesn't prevent the fraternities from continuing to exist, nor from holding internal meetings. Couple LSU's argument that parties and football tailgates are not constitutionally protected actions, and that their interest is to prevent and get a handle on what occurred a few weeks ago, and I give it a minimal shot at success. Honestly, zero shot.

There are several fraternity/sorority cases which have been cited a ton of times. Phi Lambda Phi v. U. of Pitt., 229 F.3d 435 (3rd Cir. 2000); Chi Iota Colony of Alpha Epsilon Pi v. City University of NY, 502 F.3d 136 (2nd Cir. 2007). You can go all the way back to the case you cited, NAACP v. Alabama, and see how the same Supreme Court distinguished a fraternity's freedom of association claims from that case.

LINK

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Why would anybody tailgate? Lsu is just gonna lose again

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frick FKA.

The right should be reserved for ANY LSU student to purchase friends or not. I was in grad school when the Delts got kicked out of SELU. They became a gang called "B-4". Even had "B4" letter-jerseys. It was so fricking sad.
No shite. True story.

It was really, really sad.
Demented and social, but sad.

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I honestly believe if this "kid" had learned to handle alcohol like an adult this wouldnt have happened.

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I would love to see you tell this to the face of the "kid's" parents.

LSUGrad9295

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Cool. The Greek hard-asses are triggered and out in full force this morning

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I'm actually making up Drill at the National Guard Armory in LaPlace and having coffee. While also working my PM stuff for my Company in Houston. Not triggered, felt like arguing.





tLSU

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There are several fraternity/sorority cases which have been cited a ton of times. Phi Lambda Phi v. U. of Pitt., 229 F.3d 435 (3rd Cir. 2000); Chi Iota Colony of Alpha Epsilon Pi v. City University of NY, 502 F.3d 136 (2nd Cir. 2007).

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Good shite. This is why I love the OT. Upvote.

Hazing and especially alcohol involved hazing is just another form of peer pressure. If you remove greek from the situation, this would just be peer pressure.