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re: Learjet med-transport plane has crashed into a mall and houses in Philadelphia
Posted on 2/1/25 at 10:51 am to SteelerBravesDawg
Posted on 2/1/25 at 10:51 am to SteelerBravesDawg
That video has me rethinking the fire theory. I don't see any flames there. I think the overcast skies with the nav lights are causing some confusion.
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Posted on 2/1/25 at 11:05 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Stall speed changes with many factors such as wing design, weight, angle of attack, air density, etc. Although it looks like he had plenty of speed, the aircraft is in classic stall spin (happens due to one wing stalling slightly before the other). My assumption is that 1) speed is relative, so it looked fast but may still be below stall speed, and 2) he picked up speed on the way down.
This jet had alot of weight (fuel to Tijuana) and stubby wings (Lear is an old design), etc. If I were to venture a guess, something caused engine power loss and the pilot didn’t react properly, thus causing a stall.
This jet had alot of weight (fuel to Tijuana) and stubby wings (Lear is an old design), etc. If I were to venture a guess, something caused engine power loss and the pilot didn’t react properly, thus causing a stall.
This post was edited on 2/1/25 at 11:17 am
Posted on 2/1/25 at 11:13 am to SlackMaster
This looks like it could be pilot suicide to me.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 11:28 am to GeorgeTheGreek
I thought it was a msg from a cartel or two.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 11:34 am to Bruco
one inch lower and he dies for sure, that was wild
Posted on 2/1/25 at 12:06 pm to vince vega
Shai Gold runs Jet Rescue. I saw an interview of him on the ground in Philly and he looks like a guy who knows he's gonna get his arse handed to him. They are going to tear into this shoddy company.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 12:27 pm to The Boat
Lost lift after takeoff. Perhaps both engines failed immediately in the air. Bird strike?
Posted on 2/1/25 at 12:28 pm to TigerSooner
Or political posts should stay in the poli board. They have no place here, a child and 2 doctors were among the dead. This place routinely reminds me that 50% of the country is below average intelligence and I think 90% of them live in the Deep South with me. Education is important, but common sense is severely deficient here
This post was edited on 2/1/25 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 2/1/25 at 1:41 pm to SlackMaster
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. If I were to venture a guess, something caused engine power loss and the pilot didn’t react properly, thus causing a stall.
this.
happens ALL the time. usually in prop twins with engine out.
I wonder if there was a co-pilot?
Many times these incidents happen in a single pilot set up.
Like Juan Brown says weekly: "You can stall a plane at any airspeed...."
Posted on 2/1/25 at 2:13 pm to Jmcc64
In one video it looked like it Was inverted and diving into the ground from about a 2:00 angle.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 2:55 pm to Chucktown_Badger
This company’s previous crash was in Mexico but the NTSB and FAA are here this time in the US and are going to hand them their arse on a crash that killed and injured people on the ground.
One crash can be an accident. Two crashes in roughly a year means you are a garbage company.
Jet Rescue director on the phone: “Start shredding papers and faking maintenance records”
One crash can be an accident. Two crashes in roughly a year means you are a garbage company.
Jet Rescue director on the phone: “Start shredding papers and faking maintenance records”
Posted on 2/1/25 at 5:17 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Juan Brown's preliminary report is up. HE doesn't think the data supports an aerodynamic stall. plane hit 11,000+ ft/min descent rate.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 5:18 pm to Jmcc64
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HE doesn't think the data supports an aerodynamic stall. plane hit 11,000+ ft/min descent rate.
stall is caused by loss of lift
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plane hit 11,000+ ft/min descent rate.
inability to recover could result in that
ETA: Air France 447 is an example, didn't recognize/recover, data determined that aircraft/stall was unrecoverable descending through 18000'
This post was edited on 2/1/25 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 2/1/25 at 5:25 pm to Jmcc64
quote:
Like Juan Brown says weekly: "You can stall a plane at any airspeed...."
This! And Juan Brown is great, isn’t he?
Posted on 2/1/25 at 5:27 pm to SlackMaster
quote:
"You can stall a plane at any airspeed...."
or attitude, only remedy is to reduce AOA, even if you're inverted
Posted on 2/1/25 at 7:04 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
The data indicates you’re probably right. Check out this video.. The ADSB data indicates spatial disorientation.
This post was edited on 2/1/25 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 2/1/25 at 7:29 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Here is the take from Captain Steeeve. There is also some really good information in the comments for the video.
Captain Steeeve
Captain Steeeve
Posted on 2/1/25 at 7:30 pm to Dadditude
What does Juan Browne say about it?
Posted on 2/1/25 at 7:52 pm to 0x15E
His video is actually in the post just prior to mine, and he is thinking spacial disorientation. There is also a Lear pilot in the comments of the Captain Steve video that seems to think, based on his experience, something happened with the yaw damper. I was trying to copy and paste the comment, but YouTube won't let me.
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