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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/27/22 at 8:50 am to
Posted by BRIllini07
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Posted on 3/27/22 at 8:50 am to
With Moscow signaling that they will focus more on the Eastern “separatist” region the Cold War style possibility of an East Ukraine vs West Ukraine becomes one of the options.

I found one British economic researcher’s thoughts on this in written in 2014

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However, I would tend to think the 2014 perspective on this issue was based on an administrative split where NATO countries aren’t terribly motivated to help the new “West Ukraine” get up to Western standards.

Given how unified support for Ukraine is now in the west, In a post-war East vs. West Ukraine setup I think West Ukraine gets all the help it needs rebuilding and a sanctioned Russia struggles to get East Ukraine (which is currently being bombed senseless) back to even pre-war levels of habitability.

Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 3/27/22 at 8:52 am to
I think if the Russians are able to hold on to Crimea they’ll be incredibly lucky.
Posted by Heresaucer
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Posted on 3/27/22 at 8:56 am to
My mother is from Slovakia. If you understand Czech you know about 95% of Slovak. Czechs pronounce some stuff weird(to me anyway). Can kind of get the gist of what Poles say if they go REALLY slow.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 3/27/22 at 9:00 am to
Tramvay being one of them! I’ve been to Bratislava like 20 times, and of course the best part of the high Tatras are in Slovakia, you’ll have to excuse me but it will always be the Czech Republic never Czechia, pozdravuj maminku!
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 3/27/22 at 9:03 am to
I bet your mum can make some serious Vepro knedlo zelo!
Posted by sugar71
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Posted on 3/27/22 at 9:19 am to
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I was a Czech protocol officer from 95-98
Damn . I watched MI: Ghost Protocol in 2016 & I'm glad to see someone on my level( just kidding)


Could you elaborate on the post that you believe Russia would be lucky to keep Crimea at this point? What could possibly undermine their control of Crimea?
This post was edited on 3/27/22 at 9:26 am
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/27/22 at 9:29 am to
Oliver Stone is a leftist democrat. Sometimes the truth isn't right or left but somewhere in between. Some movies to bookmark & watch that are interesting...

If you want some Ukraine history and to learn about team USA uniparty and color revolutions START HERE
Ukraine On Fire - Oliver Stone

If you want to get right down to it START HERE
Revealing Ukraine

In depth interviews with Putin

Putin Part 1
LINK
Putin Part 2
LINK
Putin Part 3
LINK
Putin Part 4
Putin's Statement
LINK

This is the truth, the democrats/establishment DC, represent us---- as butting in all over the world with what is called NGO's and color revolutions. We were all conditioned to it watching war on CNN headline news LIVE in the 1990's.



Cairo, Egypt should be in this meme as well when Obama and Clinton did a regime change and installed a muslim brotherhood man that raped, looted, burnt down, Historic Christian Churches and beheaded Christians. He is now in prison for life and Obama, McCain, Biden, Graham, Hillary & others, just moved on with color revolutions in another country
Posted by sugar71
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Posted on 3/27/22 at 9:34 am to
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In depth interviews with Putin
Putin is a biich & anyone who defends him is a biich.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/27/22 at 9:36 am to
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Putin is a biich & anyone who defends him is a biich.


What does that have to do with interviewing the man?

Also why can’t you spell it bitch like everyone else?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/27/22 at 9:51 am to
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I think if the Russians are able to hold on to Crimea they’ll be incredibly lucky.


If Ukraine is able to complain the encircled of the Russian troops west of Kyiv, it will free up a lot of battle hardened Ukrainian troops fighting for their homeland. Plus it will free up a lot of Javelins and other ATGMs. If Ukraine retakes Kherson then they will have a direct line of advance to cut the Russian troops off from the Crimea.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 3/27/22 at 9:56 am to
There is a lot in play in these next two weeks, mud is the most important, the supply lines from the west are believe it or not wide open, most important for Russia hundred plus drones capable of destroying Buks and MSLRs but there will literally be no place to hide for Russian armour. Crimea in my opinion will fall back to Ukraine and Russia will struggle to hold on to Donbas
Posted by Rusty Irish
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 3/27/22 at 9:57 am to
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With Moscow signaling that they will focus more on the Eastern “separatist” region the Cold War style possibility of an East Ukraine vs West Ukraine becomes one of the options.

I found one British economic researcher’s thoughts on this in written in 2014

LINK

However, I would tend to think the 2014 perspective on this issue was based on an administrative split where NATO countries aren’t terribly motivated to help the new “West Ukraine” get up to Western standards.

Given how unified support for Ukraine is now in the west, In a post-war East vs. West Ukraine setup I think West Ukraine gets all the help it needs rebuilding and a sanctioned Russia struggles to get East Ukraine (which is currently being bombed senseless) back to even pre-war levels of habitability.


Yip and I don't know how useful that is to Russia with the population of a potential Eastern Ukraine ranging from permanently unhappy to outright willing to wage guerilla warfare. Also it'll probably cause the likes of Sweden, Finland, Moldova and a new Western Ukraine to join NATO.

This hasn't worked out well at all for Putin. Reduced to sucking Chinese cock in the end.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 3/27/22 at 9:57 am to
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Cairo, Egypt should be in this meme as well when Obama and Clinton did a regime change and installed a muslim brotherhood man that raped, looted, burnt down, Historic Christian Churches and beheaded Christians. He is now in prison for life and Obama, McCain, Biden, Graham, Hillary & others, just moved on with color revolutions in another country



Morsi, the man that you are talking about is dead. He died in 2019. In fairness, why didn't you list pictures of Grozny or Aleppo after Putin got finished with it. What about the illegal invasions of Putin in Georgia (2008), Crimea and Donbass (2014) or Ukraine (2022)? What about Putin's involvement in Syria and Africa? Go check out the Central African Republic.
The Biden's are a crime family but Putin could give them lessons on stealing and corruption. Putin has stolen billions.
This post was edited on 3/27/22 at 10:14 am
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
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Member since May 2014
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Posted on 3/27/22 at 9:58 am to
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If “we” win, NATO will continue expansion, and we will attempt to overthrow the governments in Belarus (again) and in Moscow. If successful, we would breakup Russia, like we did Serbia, to prevent Russia from posing a threat in the future. This is a stupid and undesirable policy. It risks war with Russia, and nuclear conflict. And a shattered Russia would be a disaster. It would mean more war, and many more dead. A Russian victory would stop this process, and stabilize the situation in Europe.


It’s pretty clear you’re a Russophile and repeat a fair bit of Kremlin propaganda, and while you’ve posted some dumb shite in this thread, this takes the cake.

Step back and rethink your worldview.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 3/27/22 at 9:58 am to
Bwahahahaha last line Bwahahahaha
Posted by REG861
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 3/27/22 at 10:10 am to
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This is the truth, the democrats/establishment DC, represent us---- as butting in all over the world with what is called NGO's and color revolutions. We were all conditioned to it watching war on CNN headline news LIVE in the 1990's.


There were multiple color revolutions in Europe (the relevant geographical area here) in the 60s, 70s, and 80s and those countries all turned out fine … actually significantly better and more prosperous than under Soviet occupation. I don’t see you, or anyone, complaining about a unified Germany, for example. Maybe places where stoning women to death isn’t still the norm … wait for it.. want to be free from Russian authoritarianism and prosper away from it?
This post was edited on 3/27/22 at 10:12 am
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 3/27/22 at 10:24 am to
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A Russian victory would stop this process, and stabilize the situation in Europe.


Presidential gaffes that are quickly walked back aside, NATO, while “expanding” by admitting sovereign nations that want to join, is not a “threat” to Russia. The only way it could be conceived as a threat is if you think Russia is entitled to boss around Eastern Europe.

If your perceive half of Europe under Russia’s thumb as good because it is “stable,” then stability would come with the price of subjugating millions of people.

Edit: Also, this kind of “stability” comes with the price of increased troop presence in Europe akin to what we had between 1949 and 1989. While we’ve pretty much spent all of the “peace dividend” from the post-Cold War period, it would suck to have to waste money on fortifying Western Europe when that money could be used on more productive ventures.
This post was edited on 3/27/22 at 10:29 am
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/27/22 at 10:28 am to
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There is a lot in play in these next two weeks, mud is the most important, the supply lines from the west are believe it or not wide open, most important for Russia hundred plus drones capable of destroying Buks and MSLRs but there will literally be no place to hide for Russian armour. Crimea in my opinion will fall back to Ukraine and Russia will struggle to hold on to Donbas


The Russians have spent 8 years turning Crimea into a fortress especially the narrow isthmus connecting Crimea to Ukraine. Plus the whole peninsula is within range of sea launched cruise missiles. The best the Ukrainians can hope to do is recapture Kherson then to recapture Petropavlivka and Melitopol which would effectively cut Russia supplies lines from Crimea. If the Ukrainians can do that and move its SAMs back east of the Dnieper to protect their forces then the Ukrainians will be in good shape to mount an offensive using armor in addition to ground troops with ATGMSs when the mud season is over. Plus if Ukraine recaptures Melitopol and Petropavlivka it cuts the land bridge from Russia to Crimea that Putin wants because Melitopol controls the road and rail access to Crimea and Petropavlivka controls the intake for the North Crimean Canal.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 3/27/22 at 10:33 am to
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peace dividend”


Just checked the Wikipedia article on the Peace Dividend, and it notes that it officially ended in Feb 2022 with various NATO countries vowing to increase military spending...

So, if you’re nostalgic for the 1990s, there goes the last of that wonderful time.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 3/27/22 at 10:38 am to
And I think the next two weeks and what is arriving in country will tell the tale.
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