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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/25/25 at 2:50 pm to Lee B
Posted on 6/25/25 at 2:50 pm to Lee B
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US President Donald Trump on Wednesday said it was “possible" that Russian President Vladimir Putin could attempt to invade more countries beyond Ukraine, suggesting the Russian leader may have broader territorial ambitions.
Monday argument: Putin can't even defeat Ukraine. Russian army is not advancing at all. 3.5 years and can't take Kiev.
Tuesday argument: Putin wants the whole continent! He is going to invade Europe!!
Wednesday argument: Rinse
Thursday argument: Repeat
Friday argument: Rinse
Saturday argument: Repeat
Sunday argument: Rinse
This post was edited on 6/25/25 at 4:44 pm
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Posted on 6/25/25 at 2:51 pm to AU86
Just about every war that we have fought in the last 30 years has been in large part on the behalf of the MIC.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 2:51 pm to Lee B
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I was talking about Israeli politics. Not the same thing...
I'm talking politics in general.
You're seeing a "move toward the far right" in almost every western country. Or at least that is what it is labeled as. I think this is coming from a combination of looking at political alignment from a left or far left viewpoint and a general trend toward pretty standard right wing policies.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 2:52 pm to trinidadtiger
Yes. That is true regarding every war.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 3:10 pm to AU86
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Just about every war that we have fought in the last 30 years has been in large part on the behalf of Israel.
Not Iraq
Not Afghanistan
Fwiw, I look at Israel as if they were like those little green things that termite control companies place around your house. They serve as bait for termites so your home is protected.
The way I look at it, if the Muslim zealots weren’t attacking Israel, they would be attacking us.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 3:55 pm to VolSquatch
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You're seeing a "move toward the far right" in almost every western country. Or at least that is what it is labeled as. I think this is coming from a combination of looking at political alignment from a left or far left viewpoint and a general trend toward pretty standard right wing policies.
Looks to me like a move away from leftist lunacy toward common sense.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 4:06 pm to cypher
Over 100 victims of Russian missile strike on Dnipro hospitalized, including seven children
25.06.2025 21:28
The number of people injured in the Russian missile strike on Dnipro has risen to 304, with 112 still hospitalized, including seven children.
This was reported on Telegram by Serhii Lysak, Head of the Dnipropetrovsk Regional Military Administration, according to Ukrinform.
“In Dnipro, according to the latest data, yesterday’s missile attack left 304 people injured. 112 remain in hospitals, including seven children,” Lysak said.
He added that 14 people were wounded in the town of Samar, and five of them are still in hospital.
Lysak also reported that throughout the day, Russian forces attacked Nikopol district with drones and artillery. The attacks targeted Nikopol, Pokrovske, Myrove, and Marhanets communities.
The strikes damaged two apartment buildings and one private house.
As Ukrinform previously reported, on June 24, Russia launched ballistic missile strikes on Dnipropetrovsk region. At that time, 19 people were confirmed killed and more than 300 injured.
Ukrinform
25.06.2025 21:28
The number of people injured in the Russian missile strike on Dnipro has risen to 304, with 112 still hospitalized, including seven children.
This was reported on Telegram by Serhii Lysak, Head of the Dnipropetrovsk Regional Military Administration, according to Ukrinform.
“In Dnipro, according to the latest data, yesterday’s missile attack left 304 people injured. 112 remain in hospitals, including seven children,” Lysak said.
He added that 14 people were wounded in the town of Samar, and five of them are still in hospital.
Lysak also reported that throughout the day, Russian forces attacked Nikopol district with drones and artillery. The attacks targeted Nikopol, Pokrovske, Myrove, and Marhanets communities.
The strikes damaged two apartment buildings and one private house.
As Ukrinform previously reported, on June 24, Russia launched ballistic missile strikes on Dnipropetrovsk region. At that time, 19 people were confirmed killed and more than 300 injured.
Ukrinform
Posted on 6/25/25 at 4:11 pm to AU86
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War keeps Netanyahu in power.
Yep... and if he were not in power he'd probably be in prison for corruption.
On top of that, one of his big selling points to Israel was "only I can keep you safe." Then the October 7 attack happened... so he has something to prove... but at the same time he wants a continuing conflict with Iran to benefit him, and keep him in power.
EDIT: I typed this a while ago and thought I had hit post, you already mentioned the corruption trial hanging over his head by the time I posted it.
This post was edited on 6/25/25 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 6/25/25 at 4:32 pm to doubleb
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quote:
Just about every war that we have fought in the last 30 years has been in large part on the behalf of Israel.
Not Iraq
Not Afghanistan
yeah... no others, either.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 4:41 pm to SirWinston
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Bibi seems like the most Churchillian pol of our lifetimes. I dont really mean that as a compliment.
Go read the books Stalin's War and The Victims of Yalta.
You will be shocked at what you were never taught or hear about Mr. Roosevelt and Mr. Churchill.
Especially Roosevelt and some members of his cabinet.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 5:13 pm to AU86
Posted on 6/25/25 at 5:22 pm to AU86
If Mila Kunis and Olga Kurylenko kept visiting the White House to plead the case for Ukraine, Trump would be bombing Moscow...
Posted on 6/25/25 at 6:37 pm to cypher
NATO declaration on Ukraine and defence spending: full text with explanations
Wednesday, 25 June 2025 — Sergiy Sydorenko, European Pravda, from The Hague
This is the item that mentions Ukraine:
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Allies agree that this 5% commitment will comprise two essential categories of defence investment. Allies will allocate at least 3.5% of GDP annually based on the agreed definition of NATO defence expenditure by 2035 to resource core defence requirements, and to meet the NATO Capability Targets. Allies agree to submit annual plans showing a credible, incremental path to reach this goal. And Allies will account for up to 1.5% of GDP annually to inter alia protect our critical infrastructure, defend our networks, ensure our civil preparedness and resilience, unleash innovation, and strengthen our defence industrial base.
The trajectory and balance of spending under this plan will be reviewed in 2029, in light of the strategic environment and updated Capability Targets.
Allies reaffirm their enduring sovereign commitments to provide support to Ukraine, whose security contributes to ours, and, to this end, will include direct contributions towards Ukraine’s defence and its defence industry when calculating Allies’ defence spending.
Explanation:
This is a crucial element for Ukraine. All NATO members declare their unwavering commitment to continue financing the Ukrainian Armed Forces and state that Ukraine’s defence is part of ensuring the Alliance’s own security.
NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte has stated (with US approval) that this provision serves as a "bridge to membership" for Ukraine, as agreed at last year’s Washington summit. He has also emphasised that the wording about "Ukraine’s irreversible path to NATO" introduced under Biden remains in force. Acceptance of this by the Trump administration is a key achievement.
Notably, although this provision directly contradicts Hungarian government policy, Orbán did not veto it, once again confirming he is willing not to block Ukraine-related decisions if they have US backing.
European Pravda
Wednesday, 25 June 2025 — Sergiy Sydorenko, European Pravda, from The Hague
This is the item that mentions Ukraine:
3.
Allies agree that this 5% commitment will comprise two essential categories of defence investment. Allies will allocate at least 3.5% of GDP annually based on the agreed definition of NATO defence expenditure by 2035 to resource core defence requirements, and to meet the NATO Capability Targets. Allies agree to submit annual plans showing a credible, incremental path to reach this goal. And Allies will account for up to 1.5% of GDP annually to inter alia protect our critical infrastructure, defend our networks, ensure our civil preparedness and resilience, unleash innovation, and strengthen our defence industrial base.
The trajectory and balance of spending under this plan will be reviewed in 2029, in light of the strategic environment and updated Capability Targets.
Allies reaffirm their enduring sovereign commitments to provide support to Ukraine, whose security contributes to ours, and, to this end, will include direct contributions towards Ukraine’s defence and its defence industry when calculating Allies’ defence spending.
Explanation:
This is a crucial element for Ukraine. All NATO members declare their unwavering commitment to continue financing the Ukrainian Armed Forces and state that Ukraine’s defence is part of ensuring the Alliance’s own security.
NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte has stated (with US approval) that this provision serves as a "bridge to membership" for Ukraine, as agreed at last year’s Washington summit. He has also emphasised that the wording about "Ukraine’s irreversible path to NATO" introduced under Biden remains in force. Acceptance of this by the Trump administration is a key achievement.
Notably, although this provision directly contradicts Hungarian government policy, Orbán did not veto it, once again confirming he is willing not to block Ukraine-related decisions if they have US backing.
European Pravda
Posted on 6/25/25 at 6:57 pm to cypher
Russians have always been good at killing civilians even their own
Posted on 6/25/25 at 7:17 pm to Lee B
Trump lifted sanctions on Iran. This does three things...
1. China will have to compete with others on price of Iranian crude.
2. The global market will likely drop in price with more oil on the global market.
3. With increased competition and lower prices Russian crude loses more value and likely goes into negative earnings.
1. China will have to compete with others on price of Iranian crude.
2. The global market will likely drop in price with more oil on the global market.
3. With increased competition and lower prices Russian crude loses more value and likely goes into negative earnings.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:13 pm to CitizenK
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Trump lifted sanctions on Iran. This does three things...
1. China will have to compete with others on price of Iranian crude.
2. The global market will likely drop in price with more oil on the global market.
3. With increased competition and lower prices Russian crude loses more value and likely goes into negative earnings.
Has he... or did he just post that on TruthSocial and confuse everybody in the State Department?
That move would also be a boost for the Khomeini regime... which makes little sense considering we don't know if we did that much damage to their enriched uranium reserves... I can't imagine Netanyahu is pleased to read it.
Iran voted to close the Strait of Hormuz after the bombings. That would definitely raise oil prices. I think this was a ploy (or backchannel deal) to prevent that? If it in fact happens?
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:30 pm to Lee B
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Has he... or did he just post that on TruthSocial and confuse everybody in the State Department?
Reading helps a lot. He said this publicly at his post NATO press conference at the Hague to spell it out exactly.
quote:
That move would also be a boost for the Khomeini regime... which makes little sense considering we don't know if we did that much damage to their enriched uranium reserves... I can't imagine Netanyahu is pleased to read it.
The sanctions allow the regime to have all monies go to their pockets. As my Persian friend with Persian friends on the ground in Iran said, "Pockets of money, anchor deep." Money would flow for the masses with sanctions lifted.
My friend is based in Sherman Oaks, CA and has an active saffron trade to Europe from Iran. He has Spanish wine trade to Iran as well as spirits from Italy. Yes I know those are banned in Iran.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:48 pm to TutHillTiger
ISW Update June 25 2025
quote:
Key Takeaways:
US President Donald Trump stated that Russia may have territorial ambitions beyond Ukraine – consistent with ISW's long-held assessments that Russia is preparing for a future conflict with NATO and setting conditions to justify future aggression against non-NATO former Soviet Union states.
US Secretary of State Marco Rubio correctly stated that Russia has not shown a willingness to move forward in peace negotiations.
The Kremlin continues to leverage Russian Security Council Deputy Chairperson Dmitry Medvedev's aggressive rhetoric to undermine Western support for Ukraine.
Russian officials are promoting purposely vague rhetoric about the "root causes" of Russia's war against Ukraine in order to allow the Kremlin the flexibility to adapt its demands as it sees fit.
Russia is reportedly accelerating its missile production capacity with sanctions evasion support from Belarus and the People's Republic of China (PRC).
NATO and Western officials reaffirmed their commitment to collective defense and security, to increasing defense spending in the face of increased Russian aggression, and to providing support to Ukraine.
Ukraine's European partners continue to allocate military aid to Ukraine and deepen cooperation with the Ukrainian defense industrial base (DIB).
Ukrainian forces likely conducted a long-range strike against a Russian military industrial enterprise in Rostov Oblast on June 24.
Ukrainian forces recently advanced near Borova and Velyka Novosilka, and Russian forces recently advanced in Vovchansk and near Pokrovsk and Novopavlivka.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:54 pm to Auburn1968
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Looks to me like a move away from leftist lunacy toward common sense.
Well the move is at least partly because people have finally seen that it doesn't work.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 10:06 pm to StormyMcMan
Yahoo
Russian defense factory shuts down
Russian defense factory shuts down
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The company suffered losses of more than 149 million roubles (approximately US$1.7 million) due to low prices under state defence orders.
CEO Pavel Bondarenko said that one diode costs RUB 3,600 [approx. US$46], though the Ministry of Defence agreed to only RUB 2,600 [roughly US$33]. As a result, the company suffered losses and accumulated more than RUB 230 million [around US$2.9 million] in accounts payable. By June, its accounts were frozen, with arrears piling up on salaries, taxes and utility bills.
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