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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:16 pm to Lee B
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:16 pm to Lee B
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And it almost killed Communism for them... they'd lost that being the center of anything and were just kind of like Communists in name... until Xi took power, and he reasserted the CCP as the center of life and the sun that rises in the morning... and people like Jack Ma got a state-sponsored 6 month vacation at a re-education camp and came back newly devoted to the party.
To me the reason why China is so dangerous as a geopolitical opponent (even though I don't believe war with them, at least in the near future, is very likely) is because they are kind of an amoeba politically speaking in that they don't consistently govern a certain way based on principles of an ideology, they do what suits them the most at the time.
Example: they will let the leash off of fledgling industries enough to allow innovation, and then once a company is successful they pull back hard on it and then take control. They aren't 'principled' with their brand of communism at all. In fact I've heard it called "A capitalist authoritarian state with a Marxist-Leninist party structure & branding".
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The Han Chinese ethnicity also faces the same demographic collapse that the Russian ethnicity does... though they seem to have centered on AI and automated factories being their answer to a dwindling workforce.
Yes they have laser focused on compute and energy capacity increases. Thats another reason why they are a foe to be respected... we have been in a decades long debate on the viability and safety of nuclear power in the US, and even if we came to a consensus the financing and permitting processes would take ages if they even got through it. The Chinese saw the upcoming need for increased power generation and they just did it. They can adapt much faster than we can because they don't have to get through hundreds of congressmen and bureaucrats, miles of red tape, and convince millions of citizens who have the attention span of a squirrel.
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Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:19 pm to cypher
Russia - Nork update...
Russia significantly improved North Korea's shoddy KN-23 ballistic missiles, Ukraine's Budanov says
by Kateryna Hodunova and The Kyiv Independent news desk June 10, 2025 7:37 PM (Updated: June 10, 2025 8:09 PM)
Russia helped significantly improve North Korea's KN-23 ballistic missiles, also known as Hwasong-11, after receiving the first inaccurate batch from Pyongyang, Kyrylo Budanov, Ukraine's military intelligence (HUR) chief, said in an interview with The War Zone published on June 9.
North Korea has supplied Russia with ammunition, ballistic missiles, and soldiers since the beginning of the full-scale invasion.
KN-23 ballistic missiles initially flew with a deviation of a few kilometers and around half fired at Ukraine by Russia malfunctioned and exploded in mid-air, Reuters reported in May 2024, citing Ukraine's Prosecutor General's Office.
But now they are hitting their targets, Budanov said, without specifying what exactly was changed in the North Korean missiles.
"The KN-23 missiles that were delivered in the very beginning, now it's an absolutely different missile in (terms) of their technical characteristics. The accuracy has increased many times," Budanov said.
"This is the result of the common work of Russian and North Korean specialists. Also, there is the modernization of long-range air-to-air missiles, particular technologies on submarines, and unfortunately, ballistic missiles, which can carry nuclear payloads," he added.
According to Budanov, Russia has also agreed to help North Korea begin domestic production of Shahed-type kamikaze drones.
Pyongyang has ratcheted up its support for Russia following Russian President Vladimir Putin's signing of a mutual defense pact with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in June 2024.
According to a May 29 report by the Multilateral Sanctions Monitoring Team (MSMT), Pyongyang shipped to Russia up to 9 million artillery shells and at least 100 ballistic missiles in 2024 alone.
The Kyiv Independent
Russia significantly improved North Korea's shoddy KN-23 ballistic missiles, Ukraine's Budanov says
by Kateryna Hodunova and The Kyiv Independent news desk June 10, 2025 7:37 PM (Updated: June 10, 2025 8:09 PM)
Russia helped significantly improve North Korea's KN-23 ballistic missiles, also known as Hwasong-11, after receiving the first inaccurate batch from Pyongyang, Kyrylo Budanov, Ukraine's military intelligence (HUR) chief, said in an interview with The War Zone published on June 9.
North Korea has supplied Russia with ammunition, ballistic missiles, and soldiers since the beginning of the full-scale invasion.
KN-23 ballistic missiles initially flew with a deviation of a few kilometers and around half fired at Ukraine by Russia malfunctioned and exploded in mid-air, Reuters reported in May 2024, citing Ukraine's Prosecutor General's Office.
But now they are hitting their targets, Budanov said, without specifying what exactly was changed in the North Korean missiles.
"The KN-23 missiles that were delivered in the very beginning, now it's an absolutely different missile in (terms) of their technical characteristics. The accuracy has increased many times," Budanov said.
"This is the result of the common work of Russian and North Korean specialists. Also, there is the modernization of long-range air-to-air missiles, particular technologies on submarines, and unfortunately, ballistic missiles, which can carry nuclear payloads," he added.
According to Budanov, Russia has also agreed to help North Korea begin domestic production of Shahed-type kamikaze drones.
Pyongyang has ratcheted up its support for Russia following Russian President Vladimir Putin's signing of a mutual defense pact with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in June 2024.
According to a May 29 report by the Multilateral Sanctions Monitoring Team (MSMT), Pyongyang shipped to Russia up to 9 million artillery shells and at least 100 ballistic missiles in 2024 alone.
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:23 pm to VolSquatch
The bigger reason China is not to be underestimated is their population is 4 something times bigger than ours at 1.4 billion and they're not a cultural pajeet culture like India. They cultivate importance of education and innovation more than we now do. In basic terms, they have a larger base to have more brilliant people than we do. They also have a cultural chip on their shoulder with England, US, and Japan- that's not a good thing either.
This post was edited on 6/10/25 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:25 pm to Lee B
Additionally, China purchased outdated shuttered plants from the US wanting every single minor things so they could reverse engineer. A former employer dismantled an ABS plant in Baton Rouge and made 30+% profit. It tried to get more of these projects. Then the Chinese started sending engineers to thoroughly inspected plants then go home to replicate them. China's steel industry was built with shuttered US steel mills being dismantled then re-erected in China.
It needed more fertilizer so bought much of the US fertilizer/ammonia capacity when natural gas prices were high and they were shutdown. This time China sent over entire crew (late 1990's under Clinton Admin) living in shipping containers to perform the labor. Deep South Crane and Rigging, Baton Rouge, provided the large cranes needed for a number of these located on the Mississippi River. They didn't care if the evaporators in the phosphoric acid plant were radioactive which most are radioactive enough to not be suitable to be reused in the US. The price increase for natural gas was due Newtron's emissions legislation which shutdown coal fired plants in the mid 1990s
Everyone lost profitable markets due Chinese theft of intellectual properties, mostly via bribery. I forget the name now but a Chinese American high up in Dow Chemical's food chain sold a lot of technology to China and was caught doing it. Dow lost its very profitable chlorinated high density polyethylene as well as its high profitable methylcellose technologies to China like this. Those were two plants here in Louisiana which made a lot of money for Dow. An uncle's company, Mouton Enterprise, Beaumont, TX, had a contract with Dow to sell chlorinated HDPE to small customers who bought less than Dow sales dept supported. He would purchase as half price and sell at full price, in LTL quantities. Methylcelluse is the flour replacement in "lite" baked goods mostly bread, also as a binder for pills as well as a thickener in shampoos and conditioners for starters. It starts out a large rolls of Kraft Linerboard (thick brown paper) for its cellulose.
It needed more fertilizer so bought much of the US fertilizer/ammonia capacity when natural gas prices were high and they were shutdown. This time China sent over entire crew (late 1990's under Clinton Admin) living in shipping containers to perform the labor. Deep South Crane and Rigging, Baton Rouge, provided the large cranes needed for a number of these located on the Mississippi River. They didn't care if the evaporators in the phosphoric acid plant were radioactive which most are radioactive enough to not be suitable to be reused in the US. The price increase for natural gas was due Newtron's emissions legislation which shutdown coal fired plants in the mid 1990s
Everyone lost profitable markets due Chinese theft of intellectual properties, mostly via bribery. I forget the name now but a Chinese American high up in Dow Chemical's food chain sold a lot of technology to China and was caught doing it. Dow lost its very profitable chlorinated high density polyethylene as well as its high profitable methylcellose technologies to China like this. Those were two plants here in Louisiana which made a lot of money for Dow. An uncle's company, Mouton Enterprise, Beaumont, TX, had a contract with Dow to sell chlorinated HDPE to small customers who bought less than Dow sales dept supported. He would purchase as half price and sell at full price, in LTL quantities. Methylcelluse is the flour replacement in "lite" baked goods mostly bread, also as a binder for pills as well as a thickener in shampoos and conditioners for starters. It starts out a large rolls of Kraft Linerboard (thick brown paper) for its cellulose.
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:27 pm to PoppedRiser
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:30 pm to LSURussian
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Creating terror on the civilian population.
Zelensky's kidnap gangs to do that fine by themselves.
This is from a year ago. It's much worse now.
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:34 pm to Chromdome35
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I don't see much benefit to Russia in constantly hitting civilian targets in cities vs military targets, yet they continue to do it day after day.
It seems like an expenditure of a lot of expensive missiles for minimal ROI.
Dictators pummel the greater population into desperation and submission... either their opponents, or their own people.
Also, it's what the Russian people demand. When the planes were destroyed they were screaming for Kyiv to be burned to the ground in response.
You're right on the second point... some have asked if the US strategy a few years ago was to allow Ukraine to drive Russia bankrupt by making marginal advancements on the battlefield and causing a $300M missile tantrum from Putin in response every week.
The Shahed drones are relatively cheap... cheaper than the air defense rockets that shoot them down... and Russia and Iran have figured out how the crank them out in high numbers. There will be hundreds of them fired at Ukraine every single night from now on.
And that makes the Shaheds a concern for Israel, the Sunni Arab states, and NATO (The Baltic states, Poland, Noway/Sweden/Finland)... so the race is on to come up with the bast ways to cheaply take them out.
Ukraine had been jamming the GPS navigation. What seems to have happened last night - or one opinion I saw - is that they were not aimed at anything in particular... so sending something off course didn't work when it was just given a basic direction as a target. I don't know...
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:34 pm to PoppedRiser
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by PoppedRiser
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:35 pm to doubleb
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You have to understand what Russia is doing now; since they have been unable to do much of note on the battlefield even though their cost is high.
They are trying to sell the notion that Ukraine is desperate, they are running out of soldiers and their air defenses have crumbled. They are telling us that Trump is out and Europe can’t continue with enough aid to help.
Then you have Russian generals trying to please Putin. They have to make a showing or else. The best thing they can do is their terror war.
Yep.
Yep.
Yep.
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:37 pm to cypher
The terrorists are now using shrapnel to target civilians.
Kyiv attacked by Russian drones carrying shrapnel
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — Tuesday, 10 June 2025, 11:58
Russian forces used Shahed-type drones equipped with shrapnel warheads designed to inflict maximum damage on people and property to attack Kyiv on the night of 9-10 June.
Source: Yurii Ihnat, Head of the Communications Department of the Ukrainian Air Force Command, on the air during the national joint 24/7 newscast
Details: Responding to queries, a journalist stated that, according to a 24/7 newscast correspondent, Kyiv residents discovered metal balls and other such objects in areas where debris from Russian drones had fallen. She questioned how frequently Russian troops arm Shahed-type drones with such materials and how dangerous they are.
Quote: "The warhead of both missiles and Shahed-type drones can have different equipment. It can be thermobaric or high-explosive fragmentation ammunition, as well as shrapnel, in order to strike as large an area as possible. Not only equipment and cars can suffer from this, but also people.
Therefore, with such attacks, all services urge citizens not to stand at windows or on the street, because the scattering of those elements poses a deadly threat to the lives of citizens."
Ukrainska Pravda
Kyiv attacked by Russian drones carrying shrapnel
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — Tuesday, 10 June 2025, 11:58
Russian forces used Shahed-type drones equipped with shrapnel warheads designed to inflict maximum damage on people and property to attack Kyiv on the night of 9-10 June.
Source: Yurii Ihnat, Head of the Communications Department of the Ukrainian Air Force Command, on the air during the national joint 24/7 newscast
Details: Responding to queries, a journalist stated that, according to a 24/7 newscast correspondent, Kyiv residents discovered metal balls and other such objects in areas where debris from Russian drones had fallen. She questioned how frequently Russian troops arm Shahed-type drones with such materials and how dangerous they are.
Quote: "The warhead of both missiles and Shahed-type drones can have different equipment. It can be thermobaric or high-explosive fragmentation ammunition, as well as shrapnel, in order to strike as large an area as possible. Not only equipment and cars can suffer from this, but also people.
Therefore, with such attacks, all services urge citizens not to stand at windows or on the street, because the scattering of those elements poses a deadly threat to the lives of citizens."
Ukrainska Pravda
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:43 pm to VolSquatch
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hey can adapt much faster than we can because they don't have to get through hundreds of congressmen and bureaucrats, miles of red tape, and convince millions of citizens who have the attention span of a squirrel.
This is Xi's mission statement on why China will ultimately prevail: Democracy is a weakness. He is the smartest man in China and he alone decides everything.
He makes some bad decisions, though.
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:43 pm to CitizenK
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Additionally, China purchased outdated shuttered plants from the US wanting every single minor things so they could reverse engineer. A former employer dismantled an ABS plant in Baton Rouge and made 30+% profit. It tried to get more of these projects. Then the Chinese started sending engineers to thoroughly inspected plants then go home to replicate them. China's steel industry was built with shuttered US steel mills being dismantled then re-erected in China.
It needed more fertilizer so bought much of the US fertilizer/ammonia capacity when natural gas prices were high and they were shutdown. This time China sent over entire crew (late 1990's under Clinton Admin) living in shipping containers to perform the labor. Deep South Crane and Rigging, Baton Rouge, provided the large cranes needed for a number of these located on the Mississippi River. They didn't care if the evaporators in the phosphoric acid plant were radioactive which most are radioactive enough to not be suitable to be reused in the US. The price increase for natural gas was due Newtron's emissions legislation which shutdown coal fired plants in the mid 1990s
Everyone lost profitable markets due Chinese theft of intellectual properties, mostly via bribery. I forget the name now but a Chinese American high up in Dow Chemical's food chain sold a lot of technology to China and was caught doing it. Dow lost its very profitable chlorinated high density polyethylene as well as its high profitable methylcellose technologies to China like this. Those were two plants here in Louisiana which made a lot of money for Dow. An uncle's company, Mouton Enterprise, Beaumont, TX, had a contract with Dow to sell chlorinated HDPE to small customers who bought less than Dow sales dept supported. He would purchase as half price and sell at full price, in LTL quantities. Methylcelluse is the flour replacement in "lite" baked goods mostly bread, also as a binder for pills as well as a thickener in shampoos and conditioners for starters. It starts out a large rolls of Kraft Linerboard (thick brown paper) for its cellulose.
They do love copying and stealing tech because it's efficient and they'll keep doing so. All while selling fentanyl and precursors to Mexican cartels. That's what you call socioeconomic warfare.
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:46 pm to John Barron
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:46 pm to MoarKilometers
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MoarKilometers
I'm willing to bet a house I'm more European than your mongoloid arse.
This post was edited on 6/10/25 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:46 pm to cypher
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Russia significantly improved North Korea's shoddy KN-23 ballistic missiles
Well that's not good!!!
WWIII started when Putin took power... we're still not acknowledging it...
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:47 pm to PoppedRiser
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They cultivate importance of education and innovation more than we now do.
You won't tell us about your education, though...
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:51 pm to Lee B
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Democracy is a weakness.
Who could argue. Democratic retarded base and their handlers "voted" them in at least once and everyone paid the price. Democracy doesn't always work out well.
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:58 pm to Lee B
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You won't tell us about your education, though...
That's only because you're a troll and I don't respect you. I graduated with the same honors as JD.
Nobody's BA or MBA defines their intelligence. It just proves you can read a text, memorize, and regurgitate the information. Critical thinking is minimally improved there. Shitlibs in academia are a prime proof of that.
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:59 pm to CitizenK
China isn't dumb... and they are ruthless...
But there is corruption that is screwing things up.
The "State-controlled" aspects of their economy are built on lies and are about to crumble (real estate being a huge one)
There is unhappiness among the younger generation of worker drones, who seem to have settled on "playing stupid" and half-assing everything as the popular form of passive rebellion.
But there is corruption that is screwing things up.
The "State-controlled" aspects of their economy are built on lies and are about to crumble (real estate being a huge one)
There is unhappiness among the younger generation of worker drones, who seem to have settled on "playing stupid" and half-assing everything as the popular form of passive rebellion.
Posted on 6/10/25 at 1:01 pm to Lee B
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China isn't dumb... and they are ruthless...
But there is corruption that is screwing things up.
The "State-controlled" aspects of their economy are built on lies and are about to crumble (real estate being a huge one)
There is unhappiness among the younger generation of worker drones, who seem to have settled on "playing stupid" and half-assing everything as the popular form of passive rebellion.
Everyone is about to crumble any day. That's your shitlib hope and logic, except the only ones crumbling is ourselves cause we have useful idiots like you living among us.
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