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Posted on 6/9/25 at 8:46 am to VolSquatch
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achshually it was a regional power attack" well yeah, even a larger attack by someone using munitions every single day is probably going to different in size and scope compared to one Iran does once every couple of years. its completely different when you have to keep doing it, potentially for several more years.
China is going to tell you to hold their beer.
Do you know what happened in to bombing raids in WW2?
They got bigger and bigger.
Russia isn't at the levels China or the US could get to fully mobilized.
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shite like that is why some of us see the more hardcore Ukraine supporters more as propagandists than people looking honestly at the conflict.
The irony is I hate Zelenskyy and trust nothing from Ukraine.
But Barron and his minions are so openly anti US, celebrating every time one of our military forces has a setback that I will mock the heck out of him and his minions.
Seriously take a look at his posts every time we drop an F-18 into the water.
He's gloating.
BTW I've seen plenty of Ukraine bros who hate the USA as well with their stab in the back bullshite, but those are mostly Eurobros.
By the way I gave you an upvote because I do agree with you on the repackaged.
This post was edited on 6/9/25 at 8:47 am
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:42 am to Coeur du Tigre
Will Russia be flying Chinese bombers?
Even the "regional power"-level drone and missile attacks will hurt when Trump causes a shortage in air defense for Ukraine, which he is trying to do.
Even the "regional power"-level drone and missile attacks will hurt when Trump causes a shortage in air defense for Ukraine, which he is trying to do.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:53 am to Narax
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Russia isn't at the levels China or the US could get to fully mobilized
I hope no one is still arguing that they are. I didn't even think that before 2022 personally.
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But Barron and his minions are so openly anti US, celebrating every time one of our military forces has a setback that I will mock the heck out of him and his minions.
Seriously take a look at his posts every time we drop an F-18 into the water.
He's gloating.
Some of his posts are actually fairly compelling and line up with things I've read from at least fairly credible outlets. But then others he shares are just open Russia cheerleading. Its hard to say you're playing the middle when you're cheering for one side.
That said I do believe western geopolitical arrogance gets extremely understated when examining root causes. Putin wasn't backed into a wall and forced to invade... that's a silly argument. But I'm also not sure acting like the war was completely impossible to prevent and that Putin was always going to invade eventually is quite correct either. You have to pretend world history began in 2014 for that to make much sense.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:55 am to doubleb
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Yes, I was warned by the professional poster that this was it. The big one was coming. What happened. Perhaps there weren’t enough bombers available?
I was trying to monitor X for reports last night... and there weren't any, other than the pro-Russian posters prematurely claiming Ukraine had ceased to exist because of the glorious bombardment. "Putin just sped to the Kremlin!!! This is going to be Biblical!!!"
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:56 am to Lee B
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Will Russia be flying Chinese bombers?
Even for China that would be shocking IMO. China doesn't want to be directly linked to lethal weaponry. Even though they have openly supplied electronics and tooling equipment used in lethal weapons, among other things.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:24 am to VolSquatch
The territories of the Sumy region are "surrendered" to the Russians to cover up poor preparation for defense, - ???? MP Bezugla
??This is how a Rada deputy explains the constant advancement of the Russian Armed Forces.
?"Our generals and the OVA (the previous one, Artyukh) and local administrations are writing off property like this. Were the defense lines and fortifications not prepared? So who will prove it - the Russians already have them. The brigades are not ready, are they running away? So they have already retreated - go to the occupied territories and investigate whether they ran away and were ready," Bezuglaya writes."
??This is how a Rada deputy explains the constant advancement of the Russian Armed Forces.
?"Our generals and the OVA (the previous one, Artyukh) and local administrations are writing off property like this. Were the defense lines and fortifications not prepared? So who will prove it - the Russians already have them. The brigades are not ready, are they running away? So they have already retreated - go to the occupied territories and investigate whether they ran away and were ready," Bezuglaya writes."
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That said I do believe western geopolitical arrogance gets extremely understated when examining root causes. Putin wasn't backed into a wall and forced to invade... that's a silly argument. But I'm also not sure acting like the war was completely impossible to prevent and that Putin was always going to invade eventually is quite correct either. You have to pretend world history began in 2014 for that to make much sense.
Putin is the Godfather of his political sphere of influence. He attempted to do this the "nice way" by persuading (by what measures we don't know) the Ukrainian administration to remain in Moscow's orbit, but the people rejected that approach and overthrew them. So he invaded Crimea and started fights in the Donbas and spent a significant amount of money on propaganda and misinformation programs, believing the Ukrainians overwhelmingly would accept military occupation as a form of liberation. They didn't... so, he started trying to bomb them into submission.
This is the 9th War Russia has launched against its former satellites since 1991...
Were Chechnya and Georgia set to join NATO?
The point is control... some of it strategic because Russians are extreme paranoids about being invaded, and part of it is not wanting to allow a non-corrupt society to flourish too close... because Putin fears nothing more than a color revolution involving the bottom 80% of the Russian population rising up against him.
Some channel on Youtube had a very brief "man on the street" thing with a civilian in then-occupied Kursk... an old man. He seemed confused as to why Ukrainian troops were there... "Ukraine asked the army to go so NATO wouldn't invade them!" When told Russia invaded Ukraine, he said "Yeah, right! I don't believe that... we can't take care of what we have now, we don't need more territory! You know, with all the resources we have in this country, we live like n*ggers!" Russia sits atop a domestic powderkeg... or multiple powderkegs.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:33 am to John Barron
"My estimations for today's combined Russian missile attack on Ukraine:
Overview
18 Iskander-M ballistic missiles launched, 0 intercepted.
7 Kh-101 cruise missiles launched, 4 intercepted.
4 Kh-22 cruise missiles launched, 0 intercepted
3 Kh-31P anti-radar missiles launched, 0 intercepted.
1 Kh-69 cruise missile launched, 1 intercepted.
33 missiles in total, 5 interceptions.
15.2% interception rate.
As for the targets/impacts:
Ballistic missiles:
16 Iskander-Ms targeted open areas in Kyiv, Chernihiv, Vinnytsia and Zhytomyr Oblasts. All impacted.
2 Iskander-Ms targeted open areas in Poltava Oblast. Both impacted.
Cruise missiles:
7 Kh-101s targeted Dubno, Rivne Oblast. 3 impacted.
3 Kinzhals targeted Demydivka, Rivne Oblast. All impacted.
4 Kh-22s targeted Zmiiny Island, Odesa Oblast. All impacted.
1 Kh-69 was shot down over Poltava Oblast. Target unknown.
Anti-radar missiles:
2 Kh-31Ps targeted Dobroslav, Odesa Oblast. Both impacted.
1 Kh-31P targeted Lymanka, Odesa Oblast. It impacted.
Breakdown by missile type:
Ballistic missiles: 0% interceptions
Iskander-Ms: 0% interceptions
Kinzhals: 0% interceptions
Cruise missiles: 41.7% interceptions
Kh-101s: 57.1% interceptions
Kh-22s: 0% interceptions
Kh-69: 100% interceptions
Anti-radar missiles: 0% interceptions
Kh-31Ps: 0% interceptions
Overview
18 Iskander-M ballistic missiles launched, 0 intercepted.
7 Kh-101 cruise missiles launched, 4 intercepted.
4 Kh-22 cruise missiles launched, 0 intercepted
3 Kh-31P anti-radar missiles launched, 0 intercepted.
1 Kh-69 cruise missile launched, 1 intercepted.
33 missiles in total, 5 interceptions.
15.2% interception rate.
As for the targets/impacts:
Ballistic missiles:
16 Iskander-Ms targeted open areas in Kyiv, Chernihiv, Vinnytsia and Zhytomyr Oblasts. All impacted.
2 Iskander-Ms targeted open areas in Poltava Oblast. Both impacted.
Cruise missiles:
7 Kh-101s targeted Dubno, Rivne Oblast. 3 impacted.
3 Kinzhals targeted Demydivka, Rivne Oblast. All impacted.
4 Kh-22s targeted Zmiiny Island, Odesa Oblast. All impacted.
1 Kh-69 was shot down over Poltava Oblast. Target unknown.
Anti-radar missiles:
2 Kh-31Ps targeted Dobroslav, Odesa Oblast. Both impacted.
1 Kh-31P targeted Lymanka, Odesa Oblast. It impacted.
Breakdown by missile type:
Ballistic missiles: 0% interceptions
Iskander-Ms: 0% interceptions
Kinzhals: 0% interceptions
Cruise missiles: 41.7% interceptions
Kh-101s: 57.1% interceptions
Kh-22s: 0% interceptions
Kh-69: 100% interceptions
Anti-radar missiles: 0% interceptions
Kh-31Ps: 0% interceptions
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:39 am to John Barron
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:45 am to John Barron
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:49 am to John Barron
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:53 am to John Barron
That seems like a very expensive way to put holes in dirt runways
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:55 am to VolSquatch
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Putin wasn't backed into a wall and forced to invade... that's a silly argument.
Yes
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But I'm also not sure acting like the war was completely impossible to prevent and that Putin was always going to invade eventually is quite correct either.
True
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:56 am to VolSquatch
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I hope no one is still arguing that they are. I didn't even think that before 2022 personally.
Putin wants that and he wants Russians to think that, but I don't think he's a fool, I doubt he would take on NATO.
Post Ukraine I see him continuing to sniff the Caucuses and central Asia, as well as absorbing Belarus.
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That said I do believe western geopolitical arrogance gets extremely understated when examining root causes.
Agreed, there is an old guard of cold war mindset diplomats and think tankians who see Russia through a containment lense.
These are the same people who ignored the rise of China.
To some extent the breakup of the Soviet Union created these problems, when Khrushchev a Ukrainian allocated Crimea to Ukraine it was an internal matter as it was all Soviet.
So to some extent I think it was inevitable that Russia needed Crimea back.
I digress but do so to highlight that this may have been inevitably a problem that required a Ukraine that hated Russia to give up a non Ukrainian region Russia desperately needs.
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But I'm also not sure acting like the war was completely impossible to prevent and that Putin was always going to invade eventually is quite correct either. You have to pretend world history began in 2014 for that to make much sense.
I think there was a diplomatic solution in the 1990s, and maybe one by 2008.
But by 2012 the Obama State department was full in on containment, and Ukraine wasn't going to give up Crimea.
So in short maybe only Gorbachev could have solved it...
Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:14 am to John Barron
No wonder Zelensky is refusing to take his KIA soldiers. He has been lying to his Country saying only 47k Ukraine Soldiers were KIA. Now Russia is about to dump that number on his doorstep 
This lines up with the Red Cross figure that 400k Ukrainians have been reported missing by family members after going to War
This lines up with the Red Cross figure that 400k Ukrainians have been reported missing by family members after going to War Loading Twitter/X Embed...
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How many Russian's have died attacking Ukraine, John?
Posted on 6/9/25 at 12:13 pm to John Barron
Posted on 6/9/25 at 12:16 pm to John Barron
"Our source in the OP said that the Presidential Office will be forced to accept 6 thousand bodies of Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers and recognize them not as missing in action, but as killed. The payments are going to be spread out over several years, since families will have to be paid compensation of almost 90 billion hryvnia . Bankova does not want to introduce such a practice now , since the Russians may have up to 20 thousand bodies of Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers, and this is a serious psychological and financial instrument of pressure."
Rezident Ukrainian TG
Rezident Ukrainian TG
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