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Posted on 6/9/25 at 12:30 pm to cypher
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Last night, 4 out of the 4 of Russia's "unstoppable" Kinzhal missiles was destroyed by Ukrainian Patriot batteries.
Fake News...Ukraine can't even stop Iskander missiles over Kiev they definitely ain't stopping Kinzhals
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 12:33 pm to John Barron
ChatGPT has Russia at 48k MIA and Ukraine at 68k.
That to me seems like a pretty large difference considering that Ukraine has likely killed more Russians than vice versa.
So is Ukraine not accepting bodies because it doesn't want to/can't pay? Or is Russia holding bodies back in an attempt to dumb thousands on Ukraine at once in an attempt to overwhelm them financially?
That to me seems like a pretty large difference considering that Ukraine has likely killed more Russians than vice versa.
So is Ukraine not accepting bodies because it doesn't want to/can't pay? Or is Russia holding bodies back in an attempt to dumb thousands on Ukraine at once in an attempt to overwhelm them financially?
Posted on 6/9/25 at 12:33 pm to cypher
Ukraine says it hit Russian MiG-31, Su-30/34 fighter jets following attack on airfield
by Anna Fratsyvir June 9, 2025 10:27 AM
A Ukrainian strike allegedly damaged two Russian military aircraft — a MiG-31 and either a Su-30 or Su-34 fighter jet — at an airfield used to launch Kinzhal missile attacks, the General Staff of Ukraine's Armed Forces said on May 9.
The extent of the damage is still being assessed, the military said.
Ukraine's overnight strike targeted the Savasleyka airfield in Russia's Nizhny Novgorod Oblast, which the Kremlin uses to launch MiG-31K jets armed with Kinzhal hypersonic missiles, according to the General Staff.
The operation was conducted by Ukrainian Special Operations Forces in coordination with other units.
The strike happened as Russia launched a massive attack on Ukrainian cities overnight on June 9.
Recently, Ukraine has stepped up strikes on Russian military aircraft, which Moscow often uses to target civilian infrastructure. Earlier this month, Ukrainian drones destroyed dozens of Russian strategic bombers and surveillance aircraft in a series of attacks dubbed Operation Spiderweb.
The Kyiv Independent
by Anna Fratsyvir June 9, 2025 10:27 AM
A Ukrainian strike allegedly damaged two Russian military aircraft — a MiG-31 and either a Su-30 or Su-34 fighter jet — at an airfield used to launch Kinzhal missile attacks, the General Staff of Ukraine's Armed Forces said on May 9.
The extent of the damage is still being assessed, the military said.
Ukraine's overnight strike targeted the Savasleyka airfield in Russia's Nizhny Novgorod Oblast, which the Kremlin uses to launch MiG-31K jets armed with Kinzhal hypersonic missiles, according to the General Staff.
The operation was conducted by Ukrainian Special Operations Forces in coordination with other units.
The strike happened as Russia launched a massive attack on Ukrainian cities overnight on June 9.
Recently, Ukraine has stepped up strikes on Russian military aircraft, which Moscow often uses to target civilian infrastructure. Earlier this month, Ukrainian drones destroyed dozens of Russian strategic bombers and surveillance aircraft in a series of attacks dubbed Operation Spiderweb.
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 6/9/25 at 12:44 pm to VolSquatch
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That to me seems like a pretty large difference considering that Ukraine has likely killed more Russians than vice versa.
Offensive forces usually get less MIA than defensive.
When you take ground you inherit all the bodies and prisoners.
I doubt it is because of money, the EU would just write them a check.
Most likely a moral thing, both sides have been under counting their own casualties.
Russia just thinks it can infuriate Ukrainians who think their government is holding back money from them.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 12:50 pm to VolSquatch
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So is Ukraine not accepting bodies because it doesn't want to/can't pay?
Not sure. I think its they just don't want Zelensky to be outed as a liar because he claimed only 47k were KIA. The red cross said in April of 2025 they had 400k missing reports of military members from families. I also think you made a good point in the past about the current body exchanges being in favor of Russia by 22:1. Pro Ukrainian posters on this board claimed that was because Russia was the advancing army but you made the point they are not covering that much ground. I think when you add it all up and the fact Russia has had a 10:1 artillery advantage you should understand why Ukraine has heavy and underreported losses
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Pro Ukrainian posters on this board claimed that was because Russia was the advancing army but you made the point they are not covering that much ground. I think when you add it all up and the fact Russia has had a 10:1 artillery advantage you should understand why Ukraine has heavy and underreported losses
I thought you were supposed to be ignoring me.
You are still an idiot.
How do you think they are getting these bodies.
You have to capture the ground the bodies fall on.
You can nuke them all from space, but you won't have access to the bodies unless you take the ground they lay on.
As an offensive army you take bodies by killing people and driving them back.
As a defensive army you take bodies by recapturing positions.
The amount of terrain can be very small to account for thousands of bodies as long as it is heavily fought over.
You can't even ignore me for 2 days.
You really blind post with zero understanding.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 12:57 pm to John Barron
Posted on 6/9/25 at 1:01 pm to John Barron
John Barron owning the fellas day in and day out. 
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 1:02 pm to John Barron
Advance of Russian troops 06/09/2025
1. Entry into the Dnepropetrovsk region near Orekhovo. The enemy also admitted today that Russian attack aircraft crossed the border. We are waiting for stories about the Dnepr fortress.
2. In the southern Donetsk direction, our troops are fighting to liberate Komar, control over which will speed up the liberation of the southwestern part of the DPR and also allow access to the borders of the Dnepropetrovsk region. Fierce fighting for Alekseyevka also continues. Part of the village is already under our control.
3. And to the east of the Krasnoarmeyskaya agglomeration, our successful offensive on Konstantinovka continues. The Russian Armed Forces already control most of Yablonovka, are advancing at Zarya and Romanovka, and have already dropped into Aleksandro-Kalinovo, and have also advanced at Nelepovka. The situation in the Konstantinovka area continues to rapidly deteriorate for the enemy.
1. Entry into the Dnepropetrovsk region near Orekhovo. The enemy also admitted today that Russian attack aircraft crossed the border. We are waiting for stories about the Dnepr fortress.
2. In the southern Donetsk direction, our troops are fighting to liberate Komar, control over which will speed up the liberation of the southwestern part of the DPR and also allow access to the borders of the Dnepropetrovsk region. Fierce fighting for Alekseyevka also continues. Part of the village is already under our control.
3. And to the east of the Krasnoarmeyskaya agglomeration, our successful offensive on Konstantinovka continues. The Russian Armed Forces already control most of Yablonovka, are advancing at Zarya and Romanovka, and have already dropped into Aleksandro-Kalinovo, and have also advanced at Nelepovka. The situation in the Konstantinovka area continues to rapidly deteriorate for the enemy.
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 1:05 pm to SirWinston
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John Barron owning the fellas day in and day out
It is so bad for them they are starting to have hallucinations.
One of the NAFO trolls that I totally ignore now claimed I responded to him when the post was in response to Volsquatch 
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 1:06 pm to SirWinston
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John Barron owning the fellas day in and day out.
LOL
You are one weird duck
Posted on 6/9/25 at 1:15 pm to Narax
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Offensive forces usually get less MIA than defensive.
When you take ground you inherit all the bodies and prisoners.
Absolutely, but Russia isn't advancing at some blistering pace.
The exchange ratios considering the relatively slow pace have actually been really bad for Ukraine if they are actually anywhere close to what has been reported.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 1:28 pm to VolSquatch
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Absolutely, but Russia isn't advancing at some blistering pace.
The exchange ratios considering the relatively slow pace have actually been really bad for Ukraine if they are actually anywhere close to what has been reported.
I think moral is by far is the bigger problem.
It's absolutely ludicrous how many people a nation can lose as long as it's all men.
France WW1
Total Population: 39 Million
Men: 19 Million
Men 20-50: 8.7 Million
Served in WWI: 8.5 Million
Casualties: 6 Million
KIA: 1.3-1.5 Million
For a comparison
Ukraine population (2021) 44 Million
It's unlikely that Ukraine has even a million total casualties in spite of Russian claims. But lets pretend that Russian claims of "A Million" are valid.
As long as they keep moral up they could go for a number of years.
Which seems to be to be a brutal waste of life.
Of course when moral collapses, everything ends in a flash.
ETA: I always amaze myself when I look at WWI casualty numbers that somehow it kept going for far longer than any logic dictated, people just kept dying and dying, in number far greater than today.
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 2:08 pm to John Barron
Posted on 6/9/25 at 2:23 pm to John Barron
Posted on 6/9/25 at 2:26 pm to Narax
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I think moral is by far is the bigger problem.
It's absolutely ludicrous how many people a nation can lose as long as it's all men.
France WW1
Total Population: 39 Million
Men: 19 Million
Men 20-50: 8.7 Million
Served in WWI: 8.5 Million
Casualties: 6 Million
KIA: 1.3-1.5 Million
For a comparison
Ukraine population (2021) 44 Million
It's unlikely that Ukraine has even a million total casualties in spite of Russian claims. But lets pretend that Russian claims of "A Million" are valid.
As long as they keep moral up they could go for a number of years.
Which seems to be to be a brutal waste of life.
Of course when moral collapses, everything ends in a flash.
Yeah many details about WW1 in general are extremely staggering on many fronts.
I think that number includes all of internationally recognized Ukraine and displaced citizens. I think the number in country within territories Kyiv controls is estimated around 25-30m.
I'm also not sure what our modern appetite for deaths in a conflict is today. Being able to see and follow the conflict this closely make it much more personal. I also think modern people are more "sheltered", for lack of a better way to put it, than the generations that experienced WW1 were. Back then people dying young and unexpectedly was far more common, you had more people growing up on farms where you might learn the harsh realities of life faster than someone growing up in a city would today. Hell, life was more harsher everywhere. They were just "harder' people who were far more familiar with large amounts of death in all aspects of their lives.
I would have to have way more knowledge of the threat ranges of Russian weaponry than I possess to put together even a poor attempt at guessing how close things were to a morale collapse though. And I say that because I think any morale collapse would come via a combination of Russian advances due to manpower issues coupled with Russia getting in closer range for more consistently accurate weaponry to hit infrastructure in Kyiv that would really turn the screws on the population. I'm not sure what range is where the danger level picks up, but I imagine we are still a ways away from that.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 2:41 pm to VolSquatch
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I think the number in country within territories Kyiv controls is estimated around 25-30m.
Agreed, it's a fair number, they could theoretically sustain much larger than now, but to your point:
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I'm also not sure what our modern appetite for deaths in a conflict is today.
All we know is that it's probably a lesser number of sustainable casualties, especially as military censorship struggles in the modern age.
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I would have to have way more knowledge of the threat ranges of Russian weaponry than I possess to put together even a poor attempt at guessing how close things were to a morale collapse though. And I say that because I think any morale collapse would come via a combination of Russian advances due to manpower issues coupled with Russia getting in closer range for more consistently accurate weaponry to hit infrastructure in Kyiv that would really turn the screws on the population. I'm not sure what range is where the danger level picks up, but I imagine we are still a ways away from that.
It's a million dollar question.
It's also a reason I hate Zelensky. When your nation is fighting for it's life why are you trying to risk a rupture with the US because you don't like Trump's ego.
If I had any advice for Ukraine this entire time it would be just yesman Trump.
Agree to whatever he wants, it's only a matter of time before Putin pisses him off permanently.
Don't risk a full US withdrawal because you prefer Biden's handlers (he really does) because that would collapse moral real fast.
Also he needs to stop his minions slamming the US for "not doing more than promised".
Posted on 6/9/25 at 2:45 pm to SirWinston
Day 1202 in a 3 day special military operation sure looks like Russia has been owned bigtime. Russians had packed dress uniforms for the victory parade in Kyiv. They got their own blood all over them.
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 2:45 pm to VolSquatch
"The increased Russian strikes on the Lvov and Rovno regions suggest a possible shift in target selection strategy. While earlier attacks on western areas were occasional and usually focused on large logistical sites (warehouses, communication hubs, power infrastructure), what’s happening now looks like a deliberate campaign against targets that were likely avoided before — possibly due to resource conservation, political restraint, or lack of immediate operational relevance.
In this context, the strike on the airfield in Dubno (Rovno region) stands out. Just a couple of years ago, this site was being considered as a potential location for stationing Western aircraft, including F-16s — thanks to its safe distance from the front line and proximity to logistics routes through Poland.
If the strike did indeed hit Dubno airfield, it points to two things. First, there’s a systematic clearing of infrastructure that could potentially be used for deploying Western aviation.
Second, the Russian side appears to have confirmed intel showing that these sites are already hosting — or are being prepped to host — equipment and personnel.
Also worth noting: “Geran” drones and missile systems are now being used in this region with a density previously seen mostly in strikes on eastern and central Ukraine.
If this trend continues, the zone from Lvov to Lutsk and farther west will start losing its logistical and operational safety, which will severely complicate the integration and coordination of Western-supplied hardware."
In this context, the strike on the airfield in Dubno (Rovno region) stands out. Just a couple of years ago, this site was being considered as a potential location for stationing Western aircraft, including F-16s — thanks to its safe distance from the front line and proximity to logistics routes through Poland.
If the strike did indeed hit Dubno airfield, it points to two things. First, there’s a systematic clearing of infrastructure that could potentially be used for deploying Western aviation.
Second, the Russian side appears to have confirmed intel showing that these sites are already hosting — or are being prepped to host — equipment and personnel.
Also worth noting: “Geran” drones and missile systems are now being used in this region with a density previously seen mostly in strikes on eastern and central Ukraine.
If this trend continues, the zone from Lvov to Lutsk and farther west will start losing its logistical and operational safety, which will severely complicate the integration and coordination of Western-supplied hardware."
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