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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/31/25 at 10:40 am to
Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 10:40 am to
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One thing everyone forgets, Russia does not give a shite how many of its soldiers die. Sad but true.


That depends a bit on who those soldiers are and where they're from...
Posted by texag7
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 10:59 am to
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I've mentioned this before, but as a fan of the writer Philip K. Dick (and the "Black Mirror" series, which draws heavily from his ideas)... this gives me pause.



Lord have mercy
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 11:01 am to
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Since when did the Russians have a military formation named Army Group?


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That terminology was used to describe the German battle structure in the invasion of Russia in WWII when the fighting was done by millions of men in huge armies. That’s what I think of anyway.


The term “Army Group” really started in WWI. The Germans and French both had Army Groups. Russia formed them as well, but called them “Fronts”. And they’ve used that term ever since. In WWII, all the major powers on both sides had army groups. The Americans, British, French, and Germans called theirs “army group”, the Russians again used the term “front”. Interestingly, the Japanese called their army groups “area army”.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 11:18 am to
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The term “Army Group” really started in WWI. The Germans and French both had Army Groups. Russia formed them as well, but called them “Fronts”. And they’ve used that term ever since. In WWII, all the major powers on both sides had army groups. The Americans, British, French, and Germans called theirs “army group”, the Russians again used the term “front”. Interestingly, the Japanese called their army groups “area army”.


Good stuff Thxs.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 11:35 am to
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 11:38 am to
OPEC+ extends oil output surge despite Russian pushback, Bloomberg reports

by Olena Goncharova May 31, 2025 6:32 PM

OPEC+ will boost oil production by 411,000 barrels per day in July, marking the third consecutive monthly increase and reinforcing a major strategic shift that has driven crude prices to a four-year low.

Key producers, including Saudi Arabia, agreed to the supply hike during a virtual meeting on May 31, following similarly sized increases set for May and June, delegates familiar with the talks told Bloomberg.

The move continues to diverge from OPEC+’s longstanding approach of curbing output to maintain high oil prices. Russia, a major partner in the alliance, reportedly proposed pausing the increases but was overruled.

The Kyiv Independent
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 11:59 am to
Posted by PoppedRiser
Member since May 2025
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 12:38 pm to
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Russia and its allies racing to in turn develop these things, but we know Russia wages war on the civilian population of their adversaries as much (or more) than the military, so these things hunting civilians, as they've been doing with UAVs in some oblasts... is not good.


Talking out your arse. From Ukro population of 25-30 million, Russia killed less Ukrainian civilians in 3.5 years than Israel killed Palis in 1.5 years that has a population of 5 million.

Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 12:39 pm to
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As of Friday night, Graham's hard-hitting "Russia sanctions bill" has 82 sponsors — 41 Republicans, 40 Democrats and 1 independent:

If the bill gets that same level of support in the house then it could be veto proof which may be what Trump wants. It would allow his team to claim impartiality during the peace negotiation process. His public support of the bill at this moment is ambiguous.
Good point. If you give TACO a quick off-ramp, you'll have his indirect support. Nothing he likes better than backing out of an uncomfortable position. He may squawk a lot for Putin's benefit but it won't be the hill he'll die on so to speak. That hill doesn't exist.

Another reason for supporting this Russia sanctions bill is the current situation in the Baltic. After the latest Jaguar / Green Admire escalation, with the associated Russian Su-35 and eleven NATO warships added, anything that can stop the shadow fleet without shots fired is a very attractive proposition. Even for the US Congress. So there's another handle to get on board for both the Congressional 'warhawks' and peaceniks.

Finally, even Newt Gingrich is fed up -

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Newt Gingrich @newtgingrich ·

May 30 It is time to pass the House and Senate bills Sanctioning Russia for its continued attacks in Ukraine despite President Trump’s efforts to get a ceasefire. Congressman Brian Fitzpatrick’s HR 2548 has 16 Republican and 17 Democratic cosponsors. Senators Graham and Blumenthal have over 80 cosponsors for S1241.

If Congress passes this Russian Sanctions legislation it will be a strong signal that Americans are growing tired of Putin’s lies while he kills civilians. If Putin has to be convinced we can make his war unwinnable and too expensive to continue this is a good step and should occur as quickly as possible.


LINK
Posted by PoppedRiser
Member since May 2025
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 12:42 pm to
Vitali might not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but the man has balls to call out the midget of Kiev and his pimps. I hope Klitchko is too big of a name for Zelensky to kill or jail, but I may be work.

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Posted by PoppedRiser
Member since May 2025
856 posts
Posted on 5/31/25 at 12:44 pm to
Deranged Ukro is checking in. Quoting Newt Gingrich for cope
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:19 pm to
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ut the man has balls to call out the midget of Kiev and his pimps.


Two thoughts come to mind here:

1) that's the actual hallmark of a free society and a democracy. A mayor is allowed to criticize a president. In the society you admire, the president would simply arrest the mayor and have him murdered. It's just the way Putin does business

2) How tall is the Midget of Moscow, (without the shoe lifts)?
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:32 pm to
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1) that's the actual hallmark of a free society and a democracy. A mayor is allowed to criticize a president. In the society you admire, the president would simply arrest the mayor and have him murdered. It's just the way Putin does business



JB and his embed did not provide the original Times source for good reason. The article goes on to say...

"Yet independent experts suggest the conflict goes deeper, reflecting real concern about abuse of city funds in wartime. “There should be no doubt that these arrests are not just politics, but a response to manifestations of corruption in the Kyiv city administration,” said Volodymyr Fesenko, a political scientist who heads the Penta think tank.

Residents of Kyiv say they are perplexed that despite the constant threat of Russian airstrikes, densely populated high-rise apartment blocks are being thrown up instead of shelters, schools, hospitals or metro stations. Often these buildings are constructed by developers using a legal loophole known as a “toilet scheme”, under which they erect a small temporary building, such as a pay-per-use toilet, on unused public land. This gives them something akin to squatters’ rights, allowing them to develop the land, as long as the right wheels are greased.

Many of the ten Kyiv officials under investigation are charged with corruption related to the allocation of these property permits. Klitschko’s former deputy mayor, Petro Olenych, has been charged with taking bribes to help conscripts flee the country, while Denys Komarnytskyi, a former councillor under investigation for embezzlement, has fled to Austria."

Here's the Times article that the embed referenced.

The gloves are off between Zelensky and mayor Klitschko
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:34 pm to
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Two thoughts come to mind here:


The Russian proponents have put a lot of time into pushing the notion that the Ukraine government had actively been trying to take away the rights of their citizens even though the Russian army invaded Ukraine, kidnapped their citizens, murdered their citizens and have fought for three years to subjugate Ukrainians.

How the Russian proponents can come here on a daily basis and make Ukraine the bad guy in this war is mind boggling.

Second, when a country gets involved in a war for their survival often individual rights get run over by a government’s efforts to survive. Notable examples of this were obvious in the US Civil War and in WWII.

I’d be surprised if Ukraine’s government didn’t do some things that they wouldn’t do in peacetime to keep their sovereignty.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:36 pm to
It's always delicious when these Putin fanboys accuse Ukraine of corruption. Like, I wonder where that culture developed?

The difference is that Ukraine was trying to modernize their economy and their political system. Elections. Transparency. Development. Etc. That's what terrified Putin. He gets really uncomfortable when his old satellites begin to wake up. He prefers the Belarus model of Soviet architecture
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:38 pm to
Let’s not pretend either side in this war have actual functioning democracies.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:48 pm to
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Let’s not pretend either side in this war have actual functioning democracies.


I think the fact that Ukraine was trying to develop one is one of the bedrock reasons for why we're here.

When Putin says he wants to address the "fundamental issues" behind the war with a peace agreement, he's actually being honest. He will not tolerate a functioning democracy with a developing market based economy on his border. People might start to get ideas.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 2:34 pm to
Damn...I didn't know we lost 22 out of 31 Abrams. What the hell is Ukraine doing?



"The American military has long been proud of the fact that their Abrams have never become trophies.
Everything changed when 31 tanks arrived to fight against the Russians. #USA

Russian Army tore to shreds the 47th separate mechanized brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
The first M1A1SA was destroyed in the Berdychi area (DPR).

Here the enemy later lost two more tanks, one of which became an exhibit at the exhibition of captured equipment in Moscow on Poklonnaya Gora.

In May, another combat vehicle was evacuated from the same area to the rear.

At present, 22 M1A1 SA were comfirmed to have been destroyed. Most of them remained in the liberated territory.

Therefore, those who say that #Russian Army now has more Abrams tanks than the #Ukrainian Nazis are right."


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Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 2:35 pm to
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Let’s not pretend either side in this war have actual functioning democracies.


You say this factual statement and they can't help but argue with it

Ukraine has large systemic issues. It's just a fact. Pointing that out isn't being a Putin fanboy or spreading "misinformation".

Is Russia worse? Obviously.

But we aren't talking about just moral support here. We are dumping billions of dollars into Ukraine. Pointing out the type of people we are dealing with is relevant to the discussion whether the Ukraine Maxers like to hear it or not. And they very obviously don't.
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