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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/20/25 at 10:48 am to Auburn1968
Posted on 5/20/25 at 10:48 am to Auburn1968
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Posted on 5/20/25 at 11:19 am to John Barron
Posted on 5/20/25 at 11:27 am to John Barron
Posted on 5/20/25 at 11:38 am to dagrippa
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The effort and effectiveness of the Russian online troll/mis/disinformation presence is visible even here.
I would imagine that those in former Warsaw pact countries are seeing some crazy shite.
I posted a look at his Romanian supporters... they are mirrored in Germany, in Belarus, in Slovakia, in Hungary... they are people who MISS the Soviet Union. They want to return to that... some who remember it "fondly," and a lot of young males (mostly) who've been convinced all their lives by hearing the older people wax nostalgic about it and how it was better. They are people just left behind in emerging modern economies and long for the days of 100% state-provided employment and command economies and everyone outside of the party officials not being better off than they are... it's easy for Russia to spur them into things, but it also unites everyone else in stopping that... usually.
Posted on 5/20/25 at 11:40 am to Lee B
So Sir Winston gets banned somehow and immediately another pro-Russian poster registers and can't tear himself away from making the same old arguments in this thread?
Posted on 5/20/25 at 11:53 am to Lee B
There are several new ones lol
Posted on 5/20/25 at 11:59 am to Lee B
Quit your whining. There's a thing called common sense and logic, which when you violate there will be people seemingly coming out of the woodwork to tell you otherwise.
You are literally in the flat earther category arguing that Ukraine is "good" and can "win" and coping on ridiculous nonsense. Reality is it's a proxy war started between neocon-globohomo agenda and Putin's regime. Putin's regime is less detrimental to US and Russia could be a key ally to keep China in check instead of letting them become closer partners.
There's a difference between being anti-neocon/anti-Ukrainian proxy vs being pro-Russian. The few on here are anti-Russian and not pro-Ukrianian cause they couldn't give two shits about Ukrainian people.
You are literally in the flat earther category arguing that Ukraine is "good" and can "win" and coping on ridiculous nonsense. Reality is it's a proxy war started between neocon-globohomo agenda and Putin's regime. Putin's regime is less detrimental to US and Russia could be a key ally to keep China in check instead of letting them become closer partners.
There's a difference between being anti-neocon/anti-Ukrainian proxy vs being pro-Russian. The few on here are anti-Russian and not pro-Ukrianian cause they couldn't give two shits about Ukrainian people.
Posted on 5/20/25 at 12:03 pm to PoppedRiser
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PoppedRiser
It’s bad enough this thread has JB, but this guy shows up and might be worse.
Posted on 5/20/25 at 12:06 pm to doubleb
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The key now is what will Europe do.
If Europe were "key" to anything, it wouldn't matter all that much what Trump decides to do or not do.
I'm getting pretty irritated at the Trump administration for a lot of things. I don't even care about Ukraine, not even a little bit, but I highly value competence and we aren't seeing that right now out of this admin in terms of foreign policy. Extending a hand to Russia was the right move. Now that we know it isn't sincere, you punish them.
The Trump admin's foreign policy was lightyears better when Kushner was involved.
This post was edited on 5/20/25 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 5/20/25 at 12:10 pm to John Barron
Yeah, that was a massive strike. Report says it was Iskander-M, looking the spread looks like it had a fragmentation type warhead. Hard to say if all 70 or whatenot were killed, but if they were inside the spread, many are definitely injured/killed.
This post was edited on 5/20/25 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 5/20/25 at 12:11 pm to PoppedRiser
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You are literally in the flat earther category arguing that Ukraine is "good" and can "win" and coping on ridiculous nonsense. Reality is it's a proxy war started between neocon-globohomo agenda and Putin's regime. Putin's regime is less detrimental to US and Russia could be a key ally to keep China in check instead of letting them become closer partners.
shite made up by Russia. Russia was a partner with NATO just like Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were. Putin didn't want to meet the same standards as everyone else, mainly corruption standards.
As far as Homos go, it's military tradition per Russia's own favorite TV hosts to do gay shite. It's also kissing icons when they are sucking each other off in the trenches per those same Russian talk show hosts.
Go play with Tucker the Stupid Phucker and Pedo Scott Ritter.
This post was edited on 5/20/25 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 5/20/25 at 12:16 pm to CitizenK
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As far as Homos go, it's military tradition per Russia's own favorite TV hosts to do gay shite. It's also kissing icons when they are sucking each other off in the trenches per those same Russian talk show hosts.
CitizenGay just can't help but say weird gay shite daily
This post was edited on 5/20/25 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 5/20/25 at 12:16 pm to CitizenK
Last I checked Russians were our allies during WW2.
They also helped the Union army(although I'm conflicted on that) during the American Civil war and there were cases of Russians serving in the Union army and they sent battleships to NY. They were "neutral" officially but they favored the union.
Tell me what Ukrainians ever done for anyone. Their biggest contribution was SS Galciia division and abusing and gassing Jews in the concentration camps.
They also helped the Union army(although I'm conflicted on that) during the American Civil war and there were cases of Russians serving in the Union army and they sent battleships to NY. They were "neutral" officially but they favored the union.
Tell me what Ukrainians ever done for anyone. Their biggest contribution was SS Galciia division and abusing and gassing Jews in the concentration camps.
This post was edited on 5/20/25 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 5/20/25 at 12:26 pm to PoppedRiser
WWII
Tell the whole story. First Russia allied with Germany which enabled Germany to attack Poland and later Western Europe.
Second, Russia didn’t try and help us defeat Japan until the war was all but over.
Immediately after Germany surrendered it became obvious that Russia came as conquerors and wasn’t going to withdraw. This began the Cold War.
On the other hand Ukraine sent troops to help us in Iraq and Afghanistan. They weren’t big players, but they sent troops.
Tell the whole story. First Russia allied with Germany which enabled Germany to attack Poland and later Western Europe.
Second, Russia didn’t try and help us defeat Japan until the war was all but over.
Immediately after Germany surrendered it became obvious that Russia came as conquerors and wasn’t going to withdraw. This began the Cold War.
On the other hand Ukraine sent troops to help us in Iraq and Afghanistan. They weren’t big players, but they sent troops.
Posted on 5/20/25 at 12:29 pm to cypher
opinion by Radoslaw Sikorski
Polish FM: Europe’s existential choice
May 20, 2025 2:57 PM
The Kyiv Independent
Polish FM: Europe’s existential choice
May 20, 2025 2:57 PM
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 5/20/25 at 12:30 pm to PoppedRiser
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Last I checked Russians were our allies during WW2.
They also helped the Union army(although I'm conflicted on that) during the American Civil war and there were cases of Russians serving in the Union army and they sent battleships to NY. They were "neutral" officially but they favored the union.
So the US "neocons" are bad for intervening today, but Russian intervention 80 and 160 years ago is good? That's incredibly convenient, Vlad.
Posted on 5/20/25 at 12:32 pm to VolSquatch
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If Europe were "key" to anything, it wouldn't matter all that much what Trump decides to do or not do.
Trump was “key” until he did his latest reversal. Now a lot depends on Europe especially now with Trump catering to Putin.
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I'm getting pretty irritated at the Trump administration for a lot of things. I don't even care about Ukraine, not even a little bit, but I highly value competence and we aren't seeing that right now out of this admin in terms of foreign policy. Extending a hand to Russia was the right move. Now that we know it isn't sincere, you punish them.
I agree, amen!
Posted on 5/20/25 at 12:51 pm to doubleb
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Second, Russia didn’t try and help us defeat Japan until the war was all but over.
Gee, I wonder what prevented them from fully taking on Japan till the end of the war. Could it have been that Germans were few miles from Moscow and besieging their biggest cities. They lost like 20 million people.
Again, you're clearly not watching Mark Felton's videos. Invest 12 hours WWII documentaries, until you get any grasp of what went down and the scale of it.
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On the other hand Ukraine sent troops to help us in Iraq and Afghanistan. They weren’t big players, but they sent troops.
Oh, so they weren't getting USAID by that point? Sure they were and that's a big reason they would do so. And let's be real, sending any troops into Iraq/Afghanistan was a pointless inconsequential PR action in an illegal war that eventually destabilized the region, and finally only made Taliban stronger. Thanks to Bush's escapades Obama became president and we've entered new era of political lows.
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USAID has been involved in Ukraine since 1992, supporting its transition to a market economy and democracy. Specifically, USAID's work in Ukraine includes humanitarian aid, economic development, and programs promoting democracy and human rights. The agency's support increased significantly after the 2022 Russian invasion, with Ukraine becoming the top recipient of US assistanc
This post was edited on 5/20/25 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 5/20/25 at 1:04 pm to MoarKilometers
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So the US "neocons" are bad for intervening today, but Russian intervention 80 and 160 years ago is good? That's incredibly convenient, Vlad.
You don't actually have a point, nitpicking. Their intervention was mild by comparison. Point being if you were pro-Union it was a favorable gesture for you, which I'm not and I celebrate the day Lincoln wen to see the play, but if you were pro-Cessation like I am then it's a wash. They were doing so because they thought divided US will be weaker and Brits will take advantage of it.
Russia was also neutral during the American Revolutionary war when Britain asked them for ships and weapons, but they refused to provide. A consequential decision.
This post was edited on 5/20/25 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 5/20/25 at 1:13 pm to doubleb
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Tell the whole story. First Russia allied with Germany which enabled Germany to attack Poland and later Western Europe.
It was more than that. Russia allowed entire German divisions to live and train in Russia before the Molotov Ribbentrop Pact. This was 100% to aide Germany to hide German military buildup in violation of the Treaty of Versailles.
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